darrell
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Delta MD-11 At PDX Today

Sun Oct 20, 2002 3:39 pm

I was drivinq by PDX earlier and noticed a Delta MD-11 parked at qate D11 today. A couple of years aqo, this would have been no biq deal, but ever since Delta pulled their International fliqhts from Portland, I haven't seen a sinqle MD-11 here. Does anyone know what it was doinq here? Is Delta usinq MD-11's on domestic routes to PDX, or was this visit just a rare occurance? Any information would be appreciated.
Thanks,
~Darrell
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United777
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RE: Delta MD-11 At PDX Today

Sun Oct 20, 2002 4:41 pm

I dont know what it was doing there but I sure miss those DL MD'11s @ in Portland!
 
notdownnlocked
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RE: Delta MD-11 At PDX Today

Sun Oct 20, 2002 6:09 pm

refuel stop ATL-PDX-NRT
 
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Scooter
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RE: Delta MD-11 At PDX Today

Sun Oct 20, 2002 9:47 pm

Is it just me, or does PDX seem to be a rather odd refuling stop for ATL-NRT? Wouldn't the flight normally fly north out over ATL, into Canada, and through Alaska? Seems like ANC is a better (and quicker) place to get fuel...

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scottysair
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RE: Delta MD-11 At PDX Today

Sun Oct 20, 2002 10:08 pm

Yeah, I've think you are right about need get more fuel with MD-11 aircraft by nonstop from ATL-NRT flight for longest flight. And what is about anything else to do for the right now next pulled it out by nonstop from ATL-NRT or if might are stayed into the transpacific flight itself. Well, later!!!
 
BA777
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RE: Delta MD-11 At PDX Today

Sun Oct 20, 2002 11:11 pm

MD-11 Max range with full load =

Great Circle ATL-NRT is 5952nm = 6849 normal miles.

Im guessing DL have the "Standard" MD-11s, with 7630 miles (6630nm) range, not the "optional" with 8225 (7147nm)

Great Circle ATL-PDX-NRT is 6077nm = 6993 normal miles.

Check the maps too:

ATL-NRT



ATL-PDX-NRT



As you can see, the second map doesnt go as far north, weather maybe?

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Big777jet
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RE: Delta MD-11 At PDX Today

Sun Oct 20, 2002 11:51 pm

Headwind might be too strong cause more burning fuel to lose reserve fuel arrival is not safe. So, the plane must stop and get extra fuel before go to Tokyo while flying strong head wind. Last year, Japan Airlines B744 from JFK-NRT with low fuel emergency landing almost empty fuel while landing. Pilots are too dumb and should have refuel ANC or somewhere before go to NRT when it's strong headwind over Canada and Alaska. Delta pilot did the right thing to do.

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flyboy80
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RE: Delta MD-11 At PDX Today

Mon Oct 21, 2002 12:50 am

Yeah im in Oregon and I remember those MD-11s being there, it was a beautiful site! I remember hearing the boarding announcements for Seoul, Korea and so on. I think they in a way made PDX a little for "significant" well theres my two cents, see ya
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RE: Delta MD-11 At PDX Today

Mon Oct 21, 2002 3:43 am

Here's the last "scheduled" MD-11 PDX-NRT


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chrisair
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RE: Delta MD-11 At PDX Today

Mon Oct 21, 2002 6:48 am

Portland is used as a refuel stop because of the "large" Delta operation there. They have the maintenance facilities, and they have the people there who know how to handle a M11. The M11s have filtered in off and on, more often than not in the winter because of the strong headwinds, and maintenance problems. They also have a large M11 crew base to draw from so if someone goes over, they can pull another one out.

On an interesting note, every Delta FA that is based out of Portland (before March 31, 2001) is certified on the M11. More often than not a M11 will carry a Portland FA.