BHXviscount
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Dodgey Landings/take Offs

Mon Oct 21, 2002 5:45 am

Looking at the pic of that 737-800 taking off in sidewind reminded me of seeing a viscount trying to land at BHX in a strong headwind in the early eighties, its rear wheels touched down but the nose hung in the air for around 400m as it hurtled down the runway and then suddenly it bounced down and then up and down.... like a rubber ball before finally coming to rest(WOULD not like to have been on that flight) 9-p
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CHRISBA777ER
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RE: Dodgey Landings/take Offs

Mon Oct 21, 2002 5:58 am

Go to LHR obs deck on a very windy day and watch 9left arrivals in a heavy crosswind. Some of them are jaw dropping. Saw a piccy a while back of a Qatar A300 catching a major gust on SHORT finals (like REAL short) for 9L and its on here somewhere. Seems to affect the heavies more than the minibusses and 73's. Dunno why.

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RE: Dodgey Landings/take Offs

Mon Oct 21, 2002 6:03 am

Heathrow's 27R is notorious for catching landing aircraft off-guard in crosswind conditions, largely because of the proximity of the buildings. That how that BA 747 ended up on the grass a couple of years back.
 
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RE: Dodgey Landings/take Offs

Mon Oct 21, 2002 9:22 am

ORD's 27L and 27R are fun to watch on a windy day as well. You really see those planes wobble left to right.

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RE: Dodgey Landings/take Offs

Mon Oct 21, 2002 9:33 am


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pretty scary stuff! i wish i would have seen that, i saw an md-11 at DFW do a nice little turn like that, i have it on tape, i swore it was close to crashing. i was very very scared. and that was the first and last time i have been scared spotting
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trickijedi
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RE: Dodgey Landings/take Offs

Mon Oct 21, 2002 12:17 pm

Wow! That's a scary picture!
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danialanwar
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RE: Dodgey Landings/take Offs

Mon Oct 21, 2002 4:09 pm

Wasn't it an MD11 of Fedex in Newark or China Airlines in Taipei that hit the runway so hard that the plane jumped back up and overturned? That's dodgey a bit too much.
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Mr.BA
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RE: Dodgey Landings/take Offs

Mon Oct 21, 2002 4:14 pm

Anyone have more on the BA B747 that ended up in grass mentioned earlier?

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Sean-SAN-
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RE: Dodgey Landings/take Offs

Mon Oct 21, 2002 6:34 pm

The way to land in an X-wind is to bank into the wind, and stay aligned with the runway with opposite rudder. I don't see anything wrong with the Qatari photo unless he wasn't aligned with the runway.. can't really tell from the shot. In a strong wind, you only take out the bank when landing is imminent.

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RE: Dodgey Landings/take Offs

Mon Oct 21, 2002 9:37 pm

Sean-SAN- thats more so true for small GA aircraft... for a large jet like that with engines on the wings, you basically fly it in with crab angle and kick the rudder to align it with the runway at the last moment- the momentum of the plane makes it keep tracking down the centerline. You could do it the GA way, but regardless the bank angle in that photo is much more than youd ever have, even in light GA birds.
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mandala499
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RE: Dodgey Landings/take Offs

Mon Oct 21, 2002 11:28 pm

Well, he's "slipping" it... left bank with right rudder...
Not knowing what went on in the cockpit... i'd say it was a good call.

Pilots here do it, as strong crosswinds don't exist here, when they get one, they "slip" it onto the centerline if landing is still possible... I've heard Low hours pilots tend to turn into the wind and end up crabbing too much upon touchdown, risking running off the runway side edge, and then a huge rudder correction. Uncomfortable for the pax, adds wear and tear to the plane that way too...

I'm talking rubbish anyway.

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XFSUgimpLB41X
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RE: Dodgey Landings/take Offs

Mon Oct 21, 2002 11:34 pm

I personally think he just over shot and got blown off by the crosswind and is banking back to get back tracking down the runway. Likie I said- you dont slip in a crosswind on large jets.
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RE: Dodgey Landings/take Offs

Tue Oct 22, 2002 1:08 am

The Ba b747 was at LHR on the 12/12/00 for hte report check out http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/bulletin/may02/gbdxp.htm