steede
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First Aborted Takeoff

Sat Oct 26, 2002 7:54 am

Had an interesting incident on America West a couple weeks ago. Boarded a late afternoon flight in Phoenix, destination BWI. Get on a HP 757, taxi, get cleared for takeoff, start our roll down the runway, and about halfway down pilot pulls back and aborts the takeoff. I was a little freaked out at first since, I didn't know if we were on course for a collision of some kind or what? Turns out the altimeter failed during takeoff, and as the pilot informed us "you need to know your altitude when flying." We went back to the gate, technicians came on and installed a new one and we were on our way. Next takeoff was a success and we got into BWI after midnight.

Don't know how common incidents of this nature are, and how often takeoffs are aborted. I'm not a super frequent flyer...average about a trip a month, and this was a first for me. Also kind of ironic since it was my first trip on HP, and I had earlier started a thread here about their safety record.

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jhooper
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RE: First Aborted Takeoff

Sat Oct 26, 2002 8:07 am

I've been involved in two aborted takeoffs before, both this past summer on Atlantic Southeast Airways (Name changed slightly to protect the guilty Big grin ). The first one was on a CRJ-200 departing Houston. The abort happened almost immediately after takeoff power was applied, so it wasn't really anything spectacular. The second one was leaving Alexandria, LA on an EMB-120 Brasilia. I estimate that this high speed RTO happened very close to V1 (point of no return). It was pretty exciting; the fuel door had popped open, so they had to tighten a screw. The weird part was that I was sitting in the first row and the flight attendant had even asked me before we departed if I was willing to assist her in the event an evacuation would be necessary.
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RE: First Aborted Takeoff

Sat Oct 26, 2002 9:00 am

I experienced my first back in July on a DLX 732. We started our takeoff roll on rwy. 15R at BOS, but quickly our brakes and reversers came on. It turned out to be some faulty carge door light.

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trickijedi
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RE: First Aborted Takeoff

Sat Oct 26, 2002 9:14 am

Fortunaely aborted takeoffs aren't all that common and thank God I've never experienced one.

In your case, it is rather odd that the altimeter malfunctioned during the takeoff roll since I'm sure it was checked beforehand. What were the chances of that happening?
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RE: First Aborted Takeoff

Sat Oct 26, 2002 10:02 am

i was on one a Shorts 360, American Eagle. SJU-St. lucia. the pilot couldnt get the engine started, so he when down on one engine hoping the wind would get the propeller going. we went up and down, we rotated like 3 times. finally he figured it wouldnt work.. that was scary.
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RE: First Aborted Takeoff

Sat Oct 26, 2002 10:17 am

Back in the summer of 1983, I was on a PeopleExpress B727-200 from SYR to EWR. During the take-off roll, the pilots had to aborted take-off because they forgot to lower the flaps for take-off.

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RE: First Aborted Takeoff

Sat Oct 26, 2002 10:40 am

My first was on a Singapore 742 @ Changi in 1983. Second was on a Canadian 763 @ LHR about 3 years ago. Pretty fun stuff.


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RE: First Aborted Takeoff

Sat Oct 26, 2002 10:51 am

I was on a Comair (or ASA) CRJ from ATL to VPS... We taxied out to RWY 27R, waited in line, got clearance, then applied full thrust... About halfway down the runway, the speed brakes went up, along with reverse thrust and braking. We then just turned onto a taxiway, sat there for like 5 minutes, and then finally the captain came on and said ATC had told us to abort if possible, because the newest weather forecast around VPS was forecasted to be really really bad, and our flightpath would now be smack in the middle of severe t'storms , and we needed to re-file another route... Anyway, about 20 minutes later, we took off, and about 5 minutes after we landed it started pouring, with lightning and all...
This flight was such as weird flight. After having re-filed (or at least been given different directions as I dunno if you have to re-file if you've been told to abort a takeoff), we used a slow climb, an extremely fast cruise (the F/A attested to this), and then the meanest decent rate. You could see the t'storms to the right of the a/c on arrival. It felt like we were dropping like a rock (even the F/A said it was the steepest decent she'd ever experienced)...
 
steede
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RE: First Aborted Takeoff

Sat Oct 26, 2002 11:39 am

Trickijedi,

Yeah the pilot seemed baffled by it too...said it had been checked, and then on the roll a warning indicator came on.

The whole incident was a little scary at first, because obviously you don't know what's happening. Amazingly everyone remained calm, and the HP crew kept us well informed, and got us out in good time all things considered.

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RE: First Aborted Takeoff

Sat Oct 26, 2002 11:57 am

AA61hvy,

For some reason I find your incident hard to believe. I know you've posted it before.
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RE: First Aborted Takeoff

Sat Oct 26, 2002 12:00 pm

Aborted takeoff can be a grave occurence - do not joke about it...
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Most airline policies, is that there is NO ABORTED TAKEOFF after passing 80 knots unless it is for an engine failure or fire warning... and that it is obvious that the aircraft will not fly... we do not abort for little warning lights after 80 kts of speed...
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There are more accidents with airplanes aborting takeoffs, than continuing the takeoff... I personally consider V1 minus 10 knots as my "personal" go or no go speed...
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BDLGUY - quite surprising that this 727-200 had to abort takeoff because of flaps not being set - the second you set the power for takeoff, if the flaps are "not set", a takeoff warning horn will immediately signal the pilots of an unsafe configuration, and an abort will be made at... some 5-10 knots...
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RE: First Aborted Takeoff

Sat Oct 26, 2002 12:18 pm

My first aborted takeoff was while I was at work! I was in SFO on an A320 going down to SNA. Me and this other FA were on the aft jumpseat together and we started to roll for about 15 seconds and then WHAM we slammed on the breaks and QUICKLY turned off to the left. Our incident could have been a little serious. It turned out that ATC had cleared us to takeoff right when there was another plane aproaching and landing on the runway that intersected ours. After hundreds of normal takeoff rolls in your lifetime, your first aborted one shocks you! I almost started shouting "Grab your ankles......"  Smile
 
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RE: First Aborted Takeoff

Sat Oct 26, 2002 1:15 pm

My one and only aborted take-off occurred, unbelievably, on the first commercial air flight I ever took. I was 19 and a friend and I thought it would be “neat” to fly from Philadelphia to Montreal for a day trip to visit Expo ’67. We booked a round trip on Eastern with the northbound leg a B 727 one-stop from PHL to YUL via EWR. My first ever take-off from PHL was routine (not for me, it was my first), but the second take-off at EWR went just about to speed and then we hit the brakes and thrust reversers. I was less scared than puzzled. I didn’t think planes normally decelerated on take off, but I was a rookie so what did I know. Coming to a stop was clearly not routine. Back to the gate, out come the mechanics and some big step ladders, and 90 minutes later we tried again, this time successfully.

I was kind of ticked that 90 minutes of our ridiculous one-day Expo trip was spent sitting at Newark, but now, 35 years later, I do not remember too much about Expo ’67, but I remember the aborted take-off like it happened yesterday.
 
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RE: First Aborted Takeoff

Sun Oct 27, 2002 3:37 am

Jhooper, that is the truth. honest. it was over 10 years ago, so i may have forgeten some things. but that is the truth.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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jhooper
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RE: First Aborted Takeoff

Sun Oct 27, 2002 5:16 pm

AA61hvy, I'm not calling you a liar; just hard to believe; that's all..
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RE: First Aborted Takeoff

Mon Oct 28, 2002 12:00 pm

The other night we (AWspicious) and I saw a Air Canada Tango A320 start a take off roll and then shut down.....it caused a go around.

They pulled off and then waited on another inactive rwy......then radioed ground to go to the gate.....wouldn't want to be on that flight!!!

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RE: First Aborted Takeoff

Mon Oct 28, 2002 1:37 pm


In 10 years as crew, in addition to many flights as a passenger I've only had three aborted take offs - once on a DC9-83, the other occasions were on a 767-300, same aircraft and passengers and only an hour after the first aborted take off. The second time we began the take off roll, I think all the Cabin crew were more alert than usual (although most crew automatically quickly go over in their minds what to do if something unusual happens on take off/landing). We started gathering speed down the runway (I had specifically turned the Forward-view camera off from the TV screens after the first time!) and were going so fast that most of us assumed everything was normal. The next second, the brakes were slammed on very severely and the aircraft veered slightly to one side. Because of this, and the feeling that we must have been VERY close to the point of no return it was in our minds that the aircraft may go off the runway, so in the few seconds before we came to a complete stop, I was mentally preparing for a full evacuation on slides. Luckily, the aircraft didn't go off the runway but because of the speed we were moving at and the severity of the braking, most of the tyres had burst (we found this out later). The Captain made a PA "Passengers and crew remain seated" which is our signal not to evacuate, unless we can see something we consider life-threatening (and perhaps the Pilots/crew in other parts of the a/c can't see), in which case all Cabin Attendants can begin an evacuation. We were delayed (as were the passengers) for over two days while the aircraft received 'attention', and then we flew back to the UK on it (safely!), although minus several passengers who had opted to fly with other airlines!
 
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RE: First Aborted Takeoff

Tue Oct 29, 2002 1:36 am

My only aborted take off was onboard an Emirates A330 (A6-EAC) whilst taking off from Dubai to Manchester in August 2001. After we'd braked, and turned off the runway the captain informed us a warning light with the air conditioning system had come on and he wanted it to be checked out. So we taxied to a remote stand and waited for an hour whilst engineers sorted out the problem before we began our second attempt to depart to MAN.


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RE: First Aborted Takeoff

Tue Oct 29, 2002 1:53 am

My one and only aborted takeoff was in 2000 on a Continental 737-300 flying CLE-DCA.

It was in March in the late afternoon. And it was begining to snow pretty heavily. We had lined up on RWY 5L, powered up and quickly powered down, and taxied off the runway and back down to a hold pad. I believe the reason given was some ATC conflict. But then we sat for about 5-10 minutes as another 6 or so planes taxied past us for runway 5R.

Ironically enough, we had to go around on our first landing at National. Seems an Eagle Saab had an issue on landing.
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