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El AL And Qantas? Why?

Fri Oct 29, 1999 10:03 am

I recently noted that El Al and Qantas have reciprocated their frequent flyer programs. But this seems odd to me. Qantas does no fly to Israel and El Al does not fly to Australia. They do not operate codeshare agreements on specific flights becuase their timetables are really unsuitable to do so.
Could this be just a byproduct of El Al strengthening relationship with another oneworld airline, or more interestingly is it possible for Qantas or El Al to operate between the countries in the near future?

P.S. I understand that Airport security is very strict in Israel. If Qantas were to fly to Ben Gurian, would passengers wanting to connect to Europe on LY have to wait the 3 hours to get their baggage checked like is usually done on LY flights?
 
gardermoen
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RE: El AL And Qantas? Why?

Fri Oct 29, 1999 10:09 am

They might codeshare via Bangkok on the route. Schedules are now more flexible as there are four TEL/BKK flights weekly. I dont think LY will be pressing for its own flights to Australia anytime in the near future, after the hassle it went through last time with the Dept Of Transport and Foriegn Affairs. It was all to do with Israeli soldiers being placed at Australian airports.
 
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Gardermoen

Fri Oct 29, 1999 10:18 am

Really, i had not idea LY ever wanted to come to Australia. But whats this stuff about Israeli soldiers. Surely they dont have israeli officers at JFK or London Heathrow? or do they?. And isn't the political climate calm enough in Israel, and its always been dead calm in Australia
 
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RE: Gardermoen

Fri Oct 29, 1999 10:29 am

Yes, EL AL have special israeli agents at airports and on all its flights. They even park their planes away from others.
They did try sometime around in 93 or 94 for flights here. The routing was to be Tel Aviv-Seychelles-Perth-Melbourne. The saga went on for about 18 months and eventually they just gave up. Dept of Foreign Affairs and Transport did not want any Israeli soldiers on guard at Australian airports.
Regardless of the problems in the Middle East, there is a large market travelling between the two countries that either carrier can not afford to ignore.
Currently most traffic goes via Europe as frequencies via Asia are not that regular. Some friends of mine who went to Israel last week took Lufthansa as there are excellent connections via FRA.
 
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Gardermoen

Fri Oct 29, 1999 11:22 am

I had some relatives who went to Israel on a holiday and they went on KLM and the sidetrip was free. I think the major problem with the Australia-Israel service security aside, is the fact that there is probably very little traffic say between Qantas hubs as Singapore and Bangkok and Israel.

I have also heard of people traveling via South Africa on SA.

Is it true that EL AL does not fly on Saturdays or Sundays which ever one is the sabbath. I read this in Airliners a couple of issues ago. This must be a major economic impedement to the airline.
 
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RE: El AL And Qantas? Why?

Fri Oct 29, 1999 1:48 pm

Yes, El Al did have this rule where they did not fly on the sabbath day, but if I am not mistaken, I think a few years ago they abolished that rule. Maybe some one else knows more on this.
On the contrary, there is a lot of traffic to Thailand. Heaps of Israeli tourists go there. El Al also carries a lot of Israeli tourists to India(Mumbai and Delhi). Singapore is a market that has been untouched , perhaps there are no Israel-Singapore diplomatic relations. As for Indonesia and Malaysia, out of the case being moslem countries. The route to Australia will do well because the Israeli tourist market to Australia is virtually untapped.
I know El Al fly to Hong Kong twice a week, so they could code-share with QF either via HKG or BKK.
Who knows, with their new order for 330s and 777s and the possibility of flying here non-stop, something might work out.
 
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RE: El AL And Qantas? Why?

Fri Oct 29, 1999 4:38 pm

OK El Al do not fly and never have on the Sabbath, Saturday. Commencing friday night.

They have always wanted to fly to Australia bu cannot do so because of the lack of safety... as stated before, they wanted to come but coulnt because Australia didnt permit them to have thweir own security checks and soldiers.

HK and BKK flights are ALWAYS full. El Al is very popular on these routes, and tend to overbook.

Yet they fly 6/7 days, have so much security on every flight and at every airport, yet are still a great airline and making a profit. Good on them!!!
 
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EL AL Non-stop

Fri Oct 29, 1999 5:26 pm

I agree that probably the best routing will be a non-stop flight to Australia with their new equipment if it could make the distance, which i think they can.

However i dont think the government of Australia should ever allow foreign troops into the airports it is just asking for trouble. Would we allow indonesian troups to protect Garuda flights which were disrupted when all the east-timor stuff was going on?
 
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Sp-Deluxe - Here's Your Answer

Fri Oct 29, 1999 7:02 pm

In response to the original post, the FFlyer reciprocal is probably due to the fact that they offer a co-ordinated schedule over BKK and both carriers offer a through fare on each other.
Cheers and Regards. Al.
 
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RE: El AL And Qantas? Why?

Fri Oct 29, 1999 8:52 pm

I dont get everyones point that the "AUSTRALIAN GOVT" shouldnt allow troups n stuff....
who cares? The USA govt does? The UK one does... the HK one does and heaps of other ocuntries... so why is Australia different?
 
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RE: El AL And Qantas? Why?

Sat Oct 30, 1999 5:52 am

I have noticed that there are several men dressed in suits with communication devices when LY flights arrive and depart from LAX. I assume these are Israeli security agents, however they are far from the image conjured up when stating they are "Israeli troops." There are no machine guns nor army fatigues. I notice them most of all at the check-in counters, and they are very observant of everything around them.