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Boeing Suspends Sonic Cruiser Development!

Tue Oct 29, 2002 11:29 pm

Boeing decided to suspend the Sonic Cruiser program, this decision was communicated in Madrid (Spain) by Boeing Vice president for International Relations Pedro Arguelles, he said that Boeing is going to reevaluate the Sonic Cruiser project and the initial date for the first flight is not sure....


Bad times for Boeing......


Its in Portuguese (use translate from portuguese to english from altavista).

http://www.nefertari.pt/aeropress/noticiasdia.asp?noticia=2098

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RE: Boeing Suspends Sonic Cruiser Development!

Wed Oct 30, 2002 1:05 am

Here it is in English,

Boeing decided to suspend the construction of its new airplane Sonic Cruiser, announced in the last year as the appositive one of the biggest world-wide manufacturer of airplanes in the counterattack to the super-Jumbo of the Airbus, the A380, that will be the biggest commercial airplane of the world, from 2006, with about 550 places. The confirmation of this measure was made in Madrid for the vice-president of International Relations of the North American aeronautical constructor and director-generality of the Boeing/Espanha, Peter Arguelles, who clarified that the company is to reevaluate the chance of launching of the new airplane, what will be able to afectar, not only its date of entrance to the service, foreseen for 2008, as also its drawing and conception. Boeing decided in the last year to abandon its projecto 747X, that it would competeria with the A380 of the Airbus, to bet in the Sonic Cruiser, an airplane subs??nico, capable to fly the 0,95 mach, and that already it deserved the aerial interest of some company that operates in the long run. Peter Arguelles said that Boeing is to analyze projecto with much detail, in linking with diverse airlines, after what correcta concerning the characteristics of the new device and the date could be taken a resolution more where will be launched. It advanced that concerning the characteristics, Boeing will have to find a situation of commitment between current Boeing 767, with 250 passengers, and an airplane of two pisos. Qunato to the aspects technician of the new device admitted that the market can ask for a more economic airplane less fast e in its exploration, quieter and less aggressive to the environment.




It might be true, But?

First, why would this come in a press release made in Spain to only be covered by a Portuguese paper? Why are the Seattle and Chicago papers quiet?

Second, There are to way too many details in this press release, It talks about Cost , tech, noise, and environmental issues. Most aircraft makers don't tell you why they dropped a program. They just say something, "Market demand did not show a need at this time"

Third, I have read hundreds of Boeing press releases and never read the words "Airbus" "A380" or any other Airbus product. Boeing always uses words like "similar products" "competing aircraft", never company names. They did not do with MDD and they don't do it with Airbus. Airbus for the most part does the same thing.

 
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RE: Boeing Suspends Sonic Cruiser Development!

Wed Oct 30, 2002 1:23 am

If true, it certainly wouldn't be very surprising, that's for sure...
 
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RE: Boeing Suspends Sonic Cruiser Development!

Wed Oct 30, 2002 1:42 am

Hopefully Boeing has stopped listening only to the people who agreed with them, and now starts listening to the airlines.

IMO the Super Efficient 200-250 new generation 2 aisle medium range ...
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RE: Boeing Suspends Sonic Cruiser Development!

Wed Oct 30, 2002 2:01 am

I'm not surprised that Boeing has shelved the Sonic Cruiser for now.

Between the higher fuel burn and the fact the plane wouldn't really save that much time in transit, the concept didn't sit too well with airline bean-counters.

I think Boeing ought to seriously look at a Next-Generation 767 that uses the fuselage of the 767 but with new nose, new tail, a new, more efficient wing, and improved technology PW4000's, CF6-80's and Trent 600 engines. Imagine a 767 with the cruising speed of the 747-400 (Mach 0.85) and the range of around 6,800 nautical miles--not a few airlines will be interested.
 
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RE: Boeing Suspends Sonic Cruiser Development!

Wed Oct 30, 2002 2:06 am

RayChuang, if they need to develop a replacement for the 767, why not start from scratch? A new fuselage might still end up having a similar diameter, and there seems to be little point in keeping an old fuselage just for old times sake.
 
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RE: Boeing Suspends Sonic Cruiser Development!

Wed Oct 30, 2002 2:33 am

Is Boeing confirming this story yet?
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RE: Boeing Suspends Sonic Cruiser Development!

Wed Oct 30, 2002 2:36 am

People here keep saying the SC will have higher fuel burn -- but go to http://www.boeing.com/news/feature/concept/technical_charts.html and click on "Reduced fuel usage". Boeing expects the SC to get slightly lower fuel burn per seat than a 747-400 over a 3000nm mission.

I agree with TransSwede. Boeing really wants the 767 replacement to carry side-by-side LD3s, and they are going for new materials technology. If they really do cancel the Sonic Cruiser, they will go for Yellowstone -- and they might do it in a way that allows the Sonic Cruiser to emerge from it later.
 
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RE: Boeing Suspends Sonic Cruiser Development!

Wed Oct 30, 2002 2:55 am

I think that after what happened last September, as well as with environmental concerns, we should abandon all jet powered aircraft and revive the idea of dirigibles.

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RE: Boeing Suspends Sonic Cruiser Development!

Wed Oct 30, 2002 3:00 am

Dirigibles have problems too their fuel burn is quite dramatic.. Search the web for Hindenburg....
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RE: Boeing Suspends Sonic Cruiser Development!

Wed Oct 30, 2002 3:16 am

Regarding the Hindenburg, one thing has always troubled me as well as some historians:

The ship exploded into a "red" fireball.

Hydrogen burns with a blueish, almost clear flame.

besides, why not use helium or argon instead?
 
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RE: Boeing Suspends Sonic Cruiser Development!

Wed Oct 30, 2002 3:37 am

If I remember correctly, the Germans at the time had no access to helium, so hydrogen was their only choice. The Americans did use helium in ours.

 
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RE: Boeing Suspends Sonic Cruiser Development!

Wed Oct 30, 2002 3:37 am

I think we should treat this as a rumor. As of right now, nothing about this has hit the financial news wires. The last news from Boeing is only an hour or so old at this time (dividend anouncement).

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RE: Boeing Suspends Sonic Cruiser Development!

Wed Oct 30, 2002 5:07 am

Hydrogen burns with a faint bluish flame, but how about doped fabric and other structure? I have read that most of the Hindenberg's burn victims were burned by the diesel fuel, because the burning hydrogen went up from above them.
 
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RE: Boeing Suspends Sonic Cruiser Development!

Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:45 am

if they need to develop a replacement for the 767, why not start from scratch?

Incase you haven't relized Trans, it costs $$$ to start from scratch. Why not keep commontality to save money?

Ask Airbus.
 
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RE: Boeing Suspends Sonic Cruiser Development!

Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:55 am

Reuters is now reporting that Boeing will decide on a single new aircraft, either the SC or the super-efficient Yellowstone, with the decision to be announced by year-end (only 2 months away).

Boeing has also said that the reporter who reported that the SC was cancelled must have misunderstood. No such decision has yet been made.

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RE: Boeing Suspends Sonic Cruiser Development!

Wed Oct 30, 2002 7:14 am

767 is a very good shell but
- not optimal for cargo (side by side LD3s´)
- not optimal for coach (oversized 7 abreast, too narrow 8 abreast)
- not optimal for Business class & domestic F class (oversized odd 5 abreast, to narrow for new generation 6 abreast)

About 300/330/340 diameter or a liitle wider seems best.

In the mean time (next 5-7 years) traditional 767 users (BA, DL, AA, UAL) will have to follow KLM, AF, LH, NW and many other into buying the excellent 330-200/300 ... 767-400ER was not the right decision ..

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RE: Boeing Suspends Sonic Cruiser Development!

Wed Oct 30, 2002 11:27 am

DL already operates the B 767-400ER. Why not stick with it?????

BA stated that they are not interested in the A 330. They mind as well order new B 767 variants, or additional B 777-200ERs.
 
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RE: Boeing Suspends Sonic Cruiser Development!

Wed Oct 30, 2002 12:03 pm

I fully expect Boeing to suspend the SC but not yet. The thread on Airbus overtaking Boeing featured the Seattle Times story from Sunday that said Phil Condit wanted to talk to more airlines and wouldn't commit until at least mid-2003. They really need to do the conventional speed, lower operating cost 757/767 alternative they've been studying and are likely guaging opinions of that design. The SC should wait until times are better, right now, saving the most money on direct operating costs makes more sense than an incremental speed increase.
 
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RE: Boeing Suspends Sonic Cruiser Development!

Thu Oct 31, 2002 8:21 am

Boeing has said on Tuesday that the travel slump has not derailed plans to build a new mid-sized airliner. The configuration is to be confirmed at the end of this year. One is the Sonic Cruiser and the other - a more conventional jet.

'We are continuing the development of the technologies and the configurations,' said Lori Gunter, spokeswoman for Boeing's jetliner unit. 'We are getting far enough in our product development that you really need to pick one.'

A report published on a €uropean website this week said that Boeing had suspended the Sonic Cruiser development. Boeing said the report was inaccurate and the reporter apparently misunderstood Boeing spokespeople's comments.

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RE: Boeing Suspends Sonic Cruiser Development!

Thu Oct 31, 2002 8:27 am

Not surprized to hear this news! I really hope Boeing can get something brewing here in the next couple of months and get back on track.
 
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RE: Boeing Suspends Sonic Cruiser Development!

Thu Oct 31, 2002 9:30 am

Sonic Cruiser is not suspended by Boeing yet.

Boeing is unveiling the model of Sonic Cruiser in the upcoming Zhuhai AirShow in China.
 
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RE: Boeing Suspends Sonic Cruiser Development!

Thu Oct 31, 2002 11:23 am

I don't think you will find DL,CO,WIN or many other major U.S.carriers buying Airbus,when the airline industry turns around and they start replacing there fleets most will buy Boeing! The main reason Airbus outsells Boeing now is because the Airlines buying are European.
 
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RE: Boeing Suspends Sonic Cruiser Development!

Thu Oct 31, 2002 11:34 am

The reporter who claimed that the SC is canceled misunderstood the Boeing position. Both Glacier and Yellostone are still viable for the 20XX program. The selection is still a few months off.

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