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US Airports With Both New And Very Dated Terminals

Wed Oct 30, 2002 7:07 am

With all the new terminal designs, there are still many airports whose main carrier(s) use(s) the super-duper new terminal while other carriers use the "old and inferior." What are some examples?

1) CVG (Ever flown out of CVG on a carrier other than DL?)
2) DTW
3) SFO
4) SJC
5) PHX
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RE: US Airports With Both New And Very Dated Terminals

Wed Oct 30, 2002 7:22 am

DCA...NW and ATA (and maybe MidEx, I don't quite recall) are stuck in the "historical landmark" concourse while the rest of the carriers bask in an aviation palace.

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RE: US Airports With Both New And Very Dated Terminals

Wed Oct 30, 2002 7:25 am

Philadelphia
Terminals A,B/C, D and F are all nice and new and/or renovated, while ATA, Delta, Northwest, National, Midwest Express all operate out of terminal E, which is pretty much nothing more than some concrete blocks and rafters! LOL, that terminal is *way* overdo for an overhaul.
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RE: US Airports With Both New And Very Dated Terminals

Wed Oct 30, 2002 7:30 am

MSY (New Orleans):
Main terminal-west lobby area dates to the 50's.
Main terminal-east lobby, concourses A and B date to 1974.
Concourse C reconstructed in phases in early 90's.
Concourse D reconstructed in late 90's.

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Wed Oct 30, 2002 7:47 am

DTW....at least for now. The NW WorldGateway..for NW and friends is like a palace compared to the retro through-back ghetto dive that everyone else operates out of over in the Smith terminal. Actually the Smith terminal has some character...its a throughback to the late 50's early 60's, the beginning of the jet age...you almost feel like there should be some 707's or DC-8's out on the ramp.

The new rebuilt Davey opens in 2006-ish for everyone else..then bye-bye to the Smith terminal with its blue-green siding, window-walls, glass blocks, concrete bunker style concourses, and old control tower.
 
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Wed Oct 30, 2002 7:56 am

At JFK Terminal One and 4 are brand new and very modern, used mostly by foreign carriers. DL, AA and Jet Blue have 40+ year old terminals.

Although AA's new terminal should be finished in a couple years.
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RE: US Airports With Both New And Very Dated Terminals

Wed Oct 30, 2002 8:20 am

BOS

new: US Airways Terminal B
old: Terminal D

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Wed Oct 30, 2002 8:31 am

At BUR, is forced to use the dated, tiny B wing of the terminal, while everyone else gets to use . .

Oh wait, the whole terminal is old and tiny . . .

. . . and it's still the coolest airport ever.
 
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Wed Oct 30, 2002 8:53 am

I gotta go with the Smith Terminal at DTW. It's just nasty. I think even winos wouldn't stay there if offered the chance...

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RE: US Airports With Both New And Very Dated Terminals

Wed Oct 30, 2002 8:57 am

IAD

The B terminal is new and airy and nice, while the C/D terminal is old, temporary (sike), and narrow. It can barely handle United's evening rush, while B has never really been overly crowded when I am there.

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RE: US Airports With Both New And Very Dated Terminals

Wed Oct 30, 2002 8:57 am

Well...it isn't huge, but TOL.  Big grin

The east wing or concourse is about 3 years old while the rest of the terminal is about 40-50 years old. However that will be soon to change as the west wing is closed in 3 weeks to prepare for the new west concourse/expansion.
 
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Wed Oct 30, 2002 9:00 am

I guess i have to be the one to say CYYZ has two bad and one good and an outstanding one on the way!!!

Go TNEW

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Wed Oct 30, 2002 9:03 am

Lambert-St. Louis International Airport.

New terminal: Southwest/East Terminal
Old: Everything else.
 
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RE: US Airports With Both New And Very Dated Terminals

Wed Oct 30, 2002 9:20 am

What about ORD?

Terminal 1 (United) is magnificent. Terminal 2 is cramped, tired, lacking conveniences and resembles a bus terminal.

Same can be said about Terminal F at Midway vs. the new terminal. Of course, MDW gets a reprieve since its planning to do away with F soon
 
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Wed Oct 30, 2002 9:41 am

JFK: The difference between T4 and JetBlue's T6 is unbelievable.

LGA: The US Airways terminal is beautiful while the DL/NWA terminal leaves a lot to be desired.

EWR: You're either in a beautiful new concourse or in a dump.

FLL: The new terminal (JetBlue/NW/Continental) is SO much nicer than the old piece of crap concourses
 
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Wed Oct 30, 2002 9:54 am

At MIA, Concourse A (LAB, Aces, Virgin Atlantic, Avianca, TAM, British Airways, TACA, LACSA, Sol Air, Aero Continente, Aero Continente Dominicana, British Airways, Air France, Air France Regional, LanChile, LanPeru, Swiss, and soon LanEcuador) is gorgeous. Built in the late 1990s. Concourse F (Delta, Delta Conneciton, USAirways, USAirways Express, National, Bahamasair and Alitalia, Air France, Air France Regional, and AeroMexico), also built in the late 1990s, is very modern and airy. The rest currently leaves a lot to be desired, especially Concourse C (handles domestic AA flights from the Northeast and STL).
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Wed Oct 30, 2002 10:05 am

LAX Airport -
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The original terminal dating 1928-29 can be seen -
SE corner of airport (cargo area near Imperial Highway and Aviation Blvd) -
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Wed Oct 30, 2002 10:15 am

LAX -

Terminal 1 (Southwest - US Airways): Two story ticketing area, rest is non-descript and crowded. Baggage claim has bus station feel to it.

Terminal 2 (Northwest, main tenant, and a hodgepodge of other airlines): Last terminal building added to LAX. Dates back to the 80's. Originally constructed for Pan Am. Ticketing area is one story, very cramped and poorly lit. Redeemed partly by a monumental and modern look to security checkpoint, but gate area is rather ordinary. Worst thing is that secure corridors for arriving international passengers block one from getting an unobstructed view of runway outside. Baggage claim has bus station feel to it.

Terminal 3 [American (intra-California and intra-West) and Alaska, main tenants]: Best example of what the original terminals must have looked like at LAX. Quite dated. Former TWA terminal. Since taking it over, AA has claimed much of the gate space and other facilities. AA has tried to spruce up the gates with its own signage and colors. Still, many parts of the interior have a worn and dated appearance. Ticketing area is one story, cramped and poorly lit. Baggage claim has bus station feel to it.

Terminal 4 [American International and Long-haul]: The cream of the crop of LAX terminals. Renovation completed early this year. AA changed almost the whole structure of the original building - adding a vaulted two-story ticketing area, a second story over the first departure hall for an Admiral's Club with high, angled glass walls, very contemporary palette of colors, indirect lighting, and a terrazzo floor with a very intricate pattern in red and blue. Artwork, alone, on floor and walls of security checkpoint cost $800,000. Don't miss it when you are there. Oh, I almost forgot. There are floor to ceiling windows ringing the walls of the second departure hall. Perfect vantage point for spotting.

Terminal 5 (Delta, main tenant): Renovated in the 80's. One story ticketing area, poorly lit. Monumental entrance hall serving no real purpose. Too much beige in the color palette. Gate areas are well laid out and interspersed in a café style with concessions - best feature of terminal. Large palms planted inside the terminal reinforce the appearance of an outdoor cafe. Retains one feature of original terminal, the rotunda separating the two gate areas - somewhat inconsistent with rest of architecture. Despite that, probably the second best terminal at LAX.

Terminal 6 [Continental, United (International), others]: One story ticketing area. Continental's gates have new signage and carpeting and some distinctive space planning and decoration. Widebody gates, however, that Continental shares with United are abysmal - ratty carpet, windows with the solar film wearing away, and formica podiums at the gates. Baggage claim has bus station feel to it.

Terminal 7 and 8 (United): A hodgepodge of buildings. United has added to the terminal and renovated parts of it several times, most recently in the late 90's. I think they spent about $300 million dollars the last time. Hard to see where the money went. Last renovation hardly touched the form of the ticketing area, rotunda, and southernmost departure hall. Too many things wrong with this terminal for an easy summary. Worst part of it has to be the southernmost departure hall which as a result of a previous addition provides hardly any view of the runways. Lighting is extremely poor. In most places, United simply painted over the metal wall panels that were part of the original structure of the departure halls. Palette is a bland blue, white and grey throughout. The Terrazzo floors are mostly white with a line of red squares here and there. Compared to AA's floor, United's floor is a real embarrassment. Given all the mess they created during the last renovation, in the end it was much ado about nothing.

I left out the Tom Bradley International terminal. I'll just simply say that on my list of terminals it would rank 3rd - with AA's Terminal 4 being No. 1 and Delta's terminal 5 No. 2.
 
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RE: US Airports With Both New And Very Dated Terminals

Wed Oct 30, 2002 10:21 am

Many people on this board say that BDL (Hartford, Bradley International Airport) is old rundown, and nasty. However that is soon to change when a new open air Terminal and concourse with 12 gates opens up in early 2003. Along with this is a new 2 gate Federal Inspection station and International Arrivals building.



Termina B-

Old, some parts from 1950. All but the current International Arrivals building (Which SW and CO use) and the Northwest/Midwest express wing will be demolished.

Current Terminal A-

Built in 1989, houses 9 gates. Soon the A concourse will undergo a renovation to expand to 11 gates and modernize the terminal to fit in with the new East concourse and terminal.



New-


Centralized Terminal A

East Concourse with 12 gates

3500 space parking garage

2 Gate International Arrivals/FIS building.
 
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RE: US Airports With Both New And Very Dated Terminals

Wed Oct 30, 2002 10:27 am

Houston Intercontinental.

I do realize that it is sort of in the middle of a rennovation but somewhat disappointing. So far Terminal A is my favorite. The departures hall is actually quite nice and airy. Though I wonder why all the terminals have so little curbside space at the departures level. The new concourses in A are quite nice, if not a little bland. But roomy and well laid out. Haven't been in B, but it would be interesting to check it out. After many a layover in C, I must say that airport planners were plenty short-sighted when it was designed. The concourses themselves are far too narrow. During a busy bank of flights with lots of people, plus the carts, it can get VERY crowded. Plus the Houston Airport System does a poor job of keeping the terminal clean. I prefer when I have flights off in the wings of the terminal rather than the main piers, far less crowded. Plus the departures hall seems incredibly small. D is ok... carpets could use replacing and it could be kept a lot cleaner.

With E well underway, and when the economy and air travel turns around I seriously wonder if CO will basically rebuilt the airside structures in C to make them more user friendly. Plus I wonder if B will be redone like A was.
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RE: US Airports With Both New And Very Dated Terminals

Wed Oct 30, 2002 10:35 am

San Antonio(SAT)

Terminal 1 (Delta, United, Northwest & Southwest) is the older and looks like 1975.

Terminal 2 (Continental, American, America West) is smaller, but newer(or at least seems to be)
 
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RE: US Airports With Both New And Very Dated Terminals

Wed Oct 30, 2002 10:38 am

Indianapolis:

Concourse A, B, and D are all very aged. C is also but it is the newest of all 4.

However, the inside of each and every one of them looks very nice and newer than they actually are.


Orlando (MCO): (oldest to newest)

Concourse 1 (gates 1-29): Oldest of all 4 but looks decent.

Concourse 3 (gates 30-59): Second oldest. Looks exactly identical to con. 1.

Concourse 4 (gates 60-99): Second newest. Looks very nice. Tile/carpet. High, Glass (partial) Ceiling in center of concourse. Computer screens at each gate (courtesy of Delta Airlines).

Click this address to see a QuickTime 360 view of what the above terminal:
http://www.orlandoairports.net:/goaa/images/graphics/terminal.mov
(If it still works) (courtesy www.orlandoairports.net)

Concourse 2 (gates 100-129): Newest of all 4. Stain glass windows, art tile flooring. Glass roof in center. Computer displays at each gate (great for airlines that change gates a lot.)

Click this address to see a webpage made my Orlando International Airport specifically about the above concourse:
http://www.orlandoairports.net:/goaa/ops/airside2.htm

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RE: US Airports With Both New And Very Dated Terminals

Wed Oct 30, 2002 10:39 am

After Terminal E at IAH is opened CO is going to renovate Terminal C, most likely the concourses and ticketing area.

The one thing I've noticed about Terminal C at IAH on my visits is the fact that it smells a little like mildew, I realize they run the ac alot longer than most other airports and that it gets pretty humid there.

However I think if they tore out alot of the carpeting and put in tile or terrazo flooring they would save alot of money and get rid of the mildew smell.
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RE: US Airports With Both New And Very Dated Terminals

Wed Oct 30, 2002 10:45 am

EWR:

Terminal C, CO's renovation and expansion is almost complete. The place looks great, and they have extended it's usefull life by 15 years.

Terminal B, the second best at EWR. The IAB part added in '96 is awesome, I wish they re-did the whole terminal like that. However they have done a good job recently renovating Terminal B. New huge glass elevators, new ticket counters with cool flat screen displays showing promotional videos of airlines and their services/aircraft. Also a new food court.

Terminal B's ticketing area is way too cramped during the evening rush, they should look to Terminal C's ticketing area which handles the crowds very nicely.

Terminal A is in desperate need of a renovation, the PA has approved the funding but Im not sure when it will take place. The redeming features are, the new foodcourt, new TGI Fridays, AA concourse, CO's new President's Club.
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RE: US Airports With Both New And Very Dated Terminals

Wed Oct 30, 2002 2:16 pm

Hamfist, you have it backwards...

SAT Terminal 1 (16 gates UA/DL/NW/WN) was opened in 1984. SAT Terminal 2 (8 gates AA/CO/HP) was originally opened in the 1950's, without the "banjo" that today has the 8 jetways.
 
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RE: US Airports With Both New And Very Dated Terminals

Wed Oct 30, 2002 2:21 pm

More on SAT... to be exact Terminal 2 was built in 1953, with the 8-gate satellite concourse built in 1968. Terminal 1, the newer one, was built in 1984.
 
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RE: US Airports With Both New And Very Dated Terminals

Thu Oct 31, 2002 10:59 am

STL has the nice new Southwest Terminal. Quite a contrast between it and terminals C and D. Although i have never been in Terminal A, terminals B, C, and D need to come down, or get some serious refurbishing.........Actually they just need to come down. Cramped, and out of date, they are no longer useful. And there are not many conviences. The food court consists of a deli, a wok, a BK, and cinnabon, cramped into an area the size of a gate.

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Thu Oct 31, 2002 1:04 pm

SMF - Terminal A is brand new and very nice, Terminal B is a throwback to the 60s/70s
 
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Thu Oct 31, 2002 1:13 pm

Like Ladevale pointed out, all the all of the terminals at LAX have either recently been renovated, or are new, (by new I mean 80's to present) with the exception of Terminal 3. It has not been touched since it was built, which, by the looks of it was mid to late 60's. Its quite interesting going from Americans newly renovated T-4 to their T-3, with its dark simulated wood walls, grey worn carpeting and incandescent lighting. Even the water fountains are vintage 60's. Its like walking right into the 60's
 
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RE: US Airports With Both New And Very Dated Terminals

Thu Oct 31, 2002 1:14 pm

SAN:

Terminal 2 West: Opened 1998. A wonderful building.

Terminal 1: Opened in the 1960s. Horrible!!

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Thu Oct 31, 2002 2:03 pm

Yeah, I second SMF.


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