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Flybe.

Thu Oct 31, 2002 6:42 am

I work for flybe. based in Exeter, UK with large bases at Birmingham and Belfast City airports. We have recently changed our name from British European to flybe. We have also taken this opportunity to introduce a new colour scheme.

Basically i would like to know your opinion on our new colours, and if you have flown with us recently, what you thought of your flybe. flight. The following two photos are here to help those who don't know who we are, in any case, what do you think of our colours in general?

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Call it a bit of 'unofficial markey research'!

many thanks

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RE: Flybe.

Thu Oct 31, 2002 7:03 am

I have to admit, I havent seen the new Flybe colours yet, but from the photos they look neat  Big grin
The British European c/s also look decent as well  Big grin
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RE: Flybe.

Thu Oct 31, 2002 7:03 am

Sorry old boy but to be perfectly honest I think it's simply ghastly.

It's unclear what the airline is called. I keep wanting to call it "Flibe" or "Fly-bee" and it all sounds terribly awkward.

Maybe MacJimmy thought it was a good idea, and perhaps the airline needed a more 'modern' and less 'British and regional' feel, but to me it makes you look like one of those awful summer charter operators and deserves a place in the Book of Bad Rebrands under the chapter 'Worst'.
 
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RE: Flybe.

Thu Oct 31, 2002 7:04 am

Like them.Yea.Saw G-JEDK at GLA in May and liked the scheme from the start.
 
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RE: Flybe.

Thu Oct 31, 2002 7:11 am

Actually, I think I'm beginning to realise why I don't like it. It reminds me of Channel 5.

Plus your own airline name shouldn't be ambiguous. That's the first law of branding.

Just my opinion, and I suspect you'll get a lot of people saying they like it. Although I hope they give a more convincing explanation other than "it looks neat on photos"...  Insane
 
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RE: Flybe.

Thu Oct 31, 2002 7:20 am

Its more distinct than other other livery I can think of.With their shift towards the 'low-cost carriers' this may be perceived a a good thing.
 
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RE: Flybe.

Thu Oct 31, 2002 7:21 am

I think the new scheme in itself is quite cool looking.....that is if you are a low cost airline. I think the name "Flybe" is ridiculous. After all the hoo-ha getting the "British European" name!! I think you guys have fallen into the identity trap. To the consumer it is very confusing to be both no frills and full service at the same time (that goes for bmi british midland and bmi baby too!!!). It seems such a shame to go from an award winning quality niche carrier to having a serious identity crisis! I have never flown BE/flybe but i had heard great things of the London City operations and Premium Economy product. Seems poor strategy for a fledgling carrier to turn its back on a great image just as it was beginning to gain recognition.
 
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RE: Flybe.

Thu Oct 31, 2002 7:46 am

fly.be.

What's with the two dots on the BAe-146-300? Perhaps a web page, but it pulls up nothing entered as such in my browser?

No, never flown on you . . . who are you?

Colors? Blue and skyblue surely aren't the best choice of a flying aircraft? However, not seeing it in person. Who is british european [small letters], and what is the significance of the red/orange/yellow blocked line? The tail flybe. logo is inconsistent on the Dash 8 and very difficult to read.

Billboard titles are one thing, but they have to be clear and free from clutter?

Where does this airline fly to?
 
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RE: Flybe.

Thu Oct 31, 2002 8:53 am

fpdonald- British European use to be Jersey European and have now changed their name to FlyBe and they fly to domestic and european destinations from various UK airports From BHX - CDG(operated for AF)GLA,EDI,BRU,BHD(Belfast city)JER,GCI,SNN,ORK and TLS
HUYfan- I think the new colours are a breath of fresh air old livery was tired looking. Do you know why the EXT-BHX route was dropped?
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RE: Flybe.

Thu Oct 31, 2002 9:22 am

Sorry, I thought 'British European' was a strong name but 'flybe' is a bit nothingy...doesen't really roll off the tongue! Maybe in a few years time every airline will be called buzz/go/zip/fly/toss or whatever but I prefer a name that gives you a rough idea of what it is (ie an airline) as opposed to something that sounds like a lawnmower or brand of washing powder!

I must admit I preferred the old colours. I've no idea what the logo was (something to do with Walker Steel maybe??) but they were bold and colourful and stood out, whereas I think the new livery is a bit plain.

Is the onboard service different from when the airline was BE/JEA or is it just a re-branding?
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RE: Flybe.

Thu Oct 31, 2002 9:58 am

Thanks BHXviscount:

I looked through the drop down menu of our [Airliners.net] database and didn't find a single listing for flybe, but did find Jersey European Airways - some eleven pages thereof. Quite a few old, old colors, and many hybrids, but I think I can pick out the old color scheme. Indeed, I didn't search for flybe. or fly.be.

I'm splitting hairs, but was collectively asked . . . is the company fly.be. flybe. or british european? Again, why the dot between fly.be on the tail of the BAe-146-300? A fluke?

Why wouldn't the rebranding show more attention to overall detail, and carry over the familiarity of the old logo? If flybe. be it, was the red/orange/yellow so awful? As I brand, I think the more colorful stood out more than the blue/blue.

I'm an all or nothing guy, and on niche carriers I feel that attention to detail is even more important. Naturally, safety and service are ultimate.

The message in unclear, new colors OK, rebranding a failure. Flybe, connotates flybe [fly by] night. Not quite the message of a comrehensive rebranding, I'm sure.

Sorry, just being honest.



 
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RE: Flybe.

Thu Oct 31, 2002 10:18 am

ok........

looks like ive got a lot to answer to then. here goes:

firstly, i should clear the anme thing up. Our official name is now 'flybe', for ALL our flights, it is not a low cost sub of British European (which is what the 'be' stands for. I agree we have'nt specified this in full, and appreciate the confusion.

i can see the channel 5 thing happening  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

We offer a mid/low price no frills service. We have two products a) business on our LGW flights b) economy, where EVERYTHING apart from water,juice,tea and coffee is chargeable.

the two dots stand for the '.' in '.com' I also see the dots as confusing, they are not needed, but it is worth saying that on all our a/c the web address will be in full on each engine.

the orange/red/yellow line is a reminder of the british european colours our regular pax are used to, a sort of reminder of who we are.

EXT-BHX was dropped because we phased out the shorts360 and there were no spare Q200s in the fleet. I personaly think it woud be worth ordering another one, as the route did wel in terms of pax numbers, even if it was always half full with staff!

i didnt expect everyone to like the new flybe. and i am very grateful for your comments. Keep them coming and be sure i will keep everyone informed about the latest developments at flybe.

regards

mike
 
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RE: Flybe.

Thu Oct 31, 2002 11:46 am

I'll join the chorus of posters in questioning the new name. "Flybe"? Stupid Stupid name. British European is much nicer - should have kept that.

That being said - the new color scheme is nice - refreshingly minimilistic and I'll tell you that Dash 8-400 is a very pretty plane. Much more attractive then the BAE.

Flybe? Don't like that at all.
 
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RE: Flybe.

Thu Oct 31, 2002 11:49 am

I agree with Backfire. It looks very unprofessional. I was a big fan of Jersey European and the old color scheme. It had class and a character all its own. This looks like some kids with spray paint attacked the airplane.
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RE: Flybe.

Thu Oct 31, 2002 8:34 pm

It works for me, much better than just turning the arrow around again as in the Jersey to British transformation  Wink/being sarcastic

I think the branding will catch on and there are certainly much worse liveries out there!

Cheers

Paul
 
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RE: Flybe.

Thu Oct 31, 2002 8:50 pm

well if like me you live in catchment area of airport that operates Flybe you will hear the annoying jingle advert does my head in but that may the point easy to remember and rebranding as 'low cost' as apposed to 'no frills' seems to be working from BHX, the jury is still out as far as name change for me but the Dash8 400Q's look great in Flybe colours Big thumbs up

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RE: Flybe.

Thu Oct 31, 2002 9:57 pm

Hey - anything is better than the Air France livery you guys used to have all over your planes! At least people now know it's sort of a British airline they're flying with...

I like the new livery. But the rebranding exercise did end up a bit flawed - a few people on my course thought you were yet another no-frills, low-price airline, which, I think, is not entirely the case. I thought you were quite the opposite - some sort of niche business flier airline (with all those premium economy adverts).

The main threat is of drowning in all the confusion of new low-costers. Buzz, Go, Flybe, BMI (advertising itself as bringin low fares to LHR), BMI Baby, ....

I think people in the UK are getting confused about what each airline stands for. Ryanair and Easyjet are the only two low-fares brands that are sufficiently well-known. BMI seems to be desperate to try and confuse their passengers (going transatlantic and low-fares at the same time), and now flybe is joining in the club of confusers...

Next thing will be BA - probably rebranding themselves as Bee-Aye! - the low cost airline for people who like to spell!
(or the low-fares airline for "the world and his wife"? - nah, Buzz already jumped on that slogan after the BA adverts on TV, I think!)
 Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: Flybe.

Thu Oct 31, 2002 10:13 pm

i see your point, but i have to say that the majority of our customers are regulars, and our biggest pax bases are BHX and BHD where we have almost EVERY black cab in flybe colours!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

We are advertising heavily, but i agree that it needs to be more clear about what EXACTLY we offer.

I dont think we should keep our business class product, as it doesnt fit well with our no frills economy product.

One other major factor is the aircraft we operate. The 146-100/200s are showing their age internally now, the -300s are'nt too bad, but are still dated by todays standards. The Q400s are a great plane for our crews and accountants, but the pax still shudder at the thought of 2 hours in a prop to Toulouse! I personally like operating on the 400s, they are VERY economical. The Q300s and 200s are ample for the markets they serve. The CRJs are up for sale so they play no great part in our future fleet plans. Obviously we studied the stretched CRJ 700/900 when BAe cancelled the RJX programme, but they are not suited to our routes. Our front runner is sewcond hand ARJs or F100s as 146 replacements. We hope to standardise around two types within the next 3-5 years, the 146-300 and the Q400 dash 8, this should help in streamlining our fleet for a more efficient operation.

It is my persoanl opinion that we should have done something similar to what NAS did by changing to a low cost, 737 operating carrier with main hubs in BHD, BHX and LGW. All of our BHD and BHX routes could support 737 services if they were sufficiently low cost.

regards

mike
 
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RE: Flybe.

Thu Oct 31, 2002 10:18 pm

Hello,
I travel with flybe regularly and I generally am pleased with the service I receive. My last flight with them was in August on a BAe 146 LGW-GCI and again the crew were friendly,food/drink acceptable and the comfort average.
I like the prices they are coming up with; £50 to London is very good compared to what BA offer on their regional flights.

The colours are nice,I think they have put life back in to the BE aircraft especially on the 146 which was looking quite old and ugly.The name is ok but I prefer the more distinctive British European.
I will definitely carry on flying the airline as long as I receive the same level of satisfaction I normally get when flying them.

Regards Adrian.
 
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RE: Flybe.

Fri Nov 01, 2002 4:31 am

To be honest I have gone off flybe in teh past year or so, without having actually flown with them for quite some time. I live in Sheffield and go to Belfast quite regularly, so LBA would be quite handy for me. Having said that, the fares are just too bloody high, especially for a "low-cost" carrier. Aside from that I imagine they are fine - I last flew with the uner the Jersey European name, and was quite impressed.

By the way, what is happening with the uniform? Whenever I see any cabin crew at BHD they are wearing what I think is still the same ghastly JE uniform from the mid-90s, with the old logo on it and the big scarf. Is that the case, and is it to change?

 
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RE: Flybe.

Fri Nov 01, 2002 4:44 am

F100s are an interesting choice - but do you get them into LCY? Thought that only the F70 is approved for this type of ops - and there are barely any F70 on the market. Same for second-hand Avros: none on the market yet with a very few coming the next two or three years, mostly ex-Swiss ARJ85/100. Is the EMB170/195 shelved for sure at BE?

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RE: Flybe.

Fri Nov 01, 2002 5:09 am

we are supposed to be getting new uniforms on Dec 1st  Smile/happy/getting dizzy and yes, we know, those 'tent wrap' things our hosties are made to wear are bloody awful!

in regards to a new aircraft, we would'nt need the F100 to operate into LCY, the Q400 is ample for all our LCY routes. The only reason the F100 is being seriously considered is because of the huge surge in used machines that will come about as a result of the AA/US fleets being taken out of service. Personally, i don't think we will go for the Fokkers, as nice as they are  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

the ERJ is still being evaluated after recently making a trip to our HQ in exeter. I've just seen some cabin pics, i would love to work on them! Alas, it is pretty well known company wide that the company doesnt want to add another type to the AOC, and so i am 70% ish sure will go for the ARJ-100 when they become available.

thanks again for everyone's input

regards

mike
 
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RE: Flybe.

Fri Nov 01, 2002 5:59 am

any chance of flybe GLA-BRU?
 
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RE: Flybe.

Fri Nov 01, 2002 6:24 am

no chance i'm afraid, we could'nt live up to the competition from Ryanair out of prestwick in terms of price, and our Edi-Bru route was'nt a great success anyway, same as the Newcastle. Personally, if it were up to me, i would put one of our CRJs on the route, but i dont run the company so.....

I also think it is stupid that we dont operate non stop GLA-CDG routes under the AF banner as on most of our BHX-CDG flights we get (usually) over 15 pax connecting in from GLA. A 3xdaily CRJ WOULD work, but again, it aint gonna happen :-(

I see that GLA needs a BRU service, but i think it would be more suited to someone like Bmi or bmibaby.

regards

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RE: Flybe.

Fri Nov 01, 2002 11:18 am

F100's!! er no thanks not at BHX -737 nice idea but no more 146's -146 capital of the world is BHX.
HUYfan-What has happened to milan from BHX is this route know not being considered as I think BE could take on BA on this route and win hands down!
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RE: Flybe.

Fri Nov 01, 2002 5:21 pm

the milan route was never even considered, it was a rumour that was spread by one of our pilots on his er.......unfortunate leaving the company!

we could operate a CRJ MXP nightstopper and op 2xday to bhx for Alitalia due to our skyteam connection and i wish we would, but it's never...gonna...happen!

regards

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RE: Flybe.

Fri Nov 01, 2002 5:51 pm

Mike,

You say the CRJs will be leaving the fleet now...When will this take place and will we see a CRJ painted in the new livery before they go?

As for the livery, every time they paint an aircraft we have a different version..I wonder what will be next  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

BTW bring back the Exeter Brum service!

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RE: Flybe.

Fri Nov 01, 2002 9:57 pm

the CRJs will be leaving the fleet as soon as we acn sell them. There has been CONSIDERABLE interest and strong rumours going round that Sahara Airlines of India want to lease them for 7 years. Aparently, the main problem with getting rid of them is that our particular spec is'nt a common one, in fact its a very good one, but not many airlines need all the gadgets we have on ours.

i really hope we see a CRJ in the new colours, but i would think the CRJs and Q200s will be the last to get the new paint job, if they ever do. Our priority is the 146 and Q400 fleet at the moment.

It is admittedly a bit confusing at the moment, we have 6 variations:
1) British European livery (pennant)
2) Air France
3) All white (JEAS)
4) flybe. new JEDL + 146s
5) flybe. old JEDK
6) flybe. new but no forward titles (on one 146)

I also wish they would bring back the BHX-EXT service. If they based a Q200 at exeter it could operate to BHX 3x a day and also open a new route from BHX to Londonderry 1 x a day. But as you probably know, the flybe. way is a strange one!

regards

mike
 
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RE: Flybe.

Sat Nov 02, 2002 1:38 am

Hi Mike

It's probably been raised before but what are the reasons for getting rid of the CRJs so soon after they joined the fleet? The trend in the industry seems to be from regional props to jets...are the economics that much worse or are they the wrong size for fly.be's operation?

What's the difference between the flybe.old and flybe.new colours?

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RE: Flybe.

Sat Nov 02, 2002 1:49 am

hmmmmmm....the CRJs, we love em, we hate em!

If we had an ALL CRJ 100/700/900 fleet, they probably would be economical, but we only have 4. They are more economical on longer routes, our only really suitable routes they could make money on are BHX-TLS, BHX-SNN, NCL-CDG, LHR-LYS and LHR-TLS, none of which have a need for a 50 seater. Personally, i like the CRJ as a passenger, but with our typical route length, they just are'nt making money. Here is what i suggest we do with our CRJs:

#1 GLA-CDG 3 a day
#2 BHX-TLS 2 a day
#3 MXP-BHX 2 a day
#4 NCL-CDG 1 a day NCL-CPH 1 a day NCL-OSL 1 a day

I did suggest to the company bosses that we take up the Newcastle-Oslo and Copenahgen routes as there is clearly a market for both, and both have better sector lengths than a 12 sector BHD-LBA day, but nothing has come of it :-(

the difference between the 'old' flybe and 'new' flybe is just that our first a/c Q400 JEDK has different titling (it says british european in full, see differences between JEDK and JEDL), as opposed to our now standardised flybe. livery.

regards

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RE: Flybe.

Sat Nov 02, 2002 1:53 am

sorry, you can cleary see the difference here:

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RE: Flybe.

Sat Nov 02, 2002 2:08 am

Mike,

Another new livery or did they run out of paint when they did this one?


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RE: Flybe.

Sat Nov 02, 2002 2:30 am

The new colours are fine by me, but my big concern is the fleet plan. I was actually very relieved when the RJX was cancelled because I hate the 146 with something approaching a passion. Living in Jersey, we used to have a choice between 146 and warmed over 146 (RJ100), but now BA has brought 737s on the LGW route, BE is out the window.

There is, of course, a strategic side. As Buzz is finding, the 146 is the wrong plane for a low cost airline and perhaps BE's biggest danger is that it doesn't know what it wants to be. It's trying to be all things to all people and that spells danger. It should look to a 130-140 seater for some of its main routes (maybe 319s leased from Air France) and be serious about being a low cost airline. There were rumours about CRJ900s and frankly if these came to pass, much though I'd like to fly on these aircraft, I'd have to have strong doubts about BE's future.

Standardisation is fine, but it shouldn't include the 146. A 130-140 seat jet type, use the DH4s for LCY (as Augsburg Airlines now does) and have a two type fleet.
 
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RE: Flybe.

Sat Nov 02, 2002 3:39 am

Thanks for the pics...hadn't seen the 'old' version before.

I would've thought the A319/735 or similar would be too big for most of the routes at the moment (apart from the LGW ones) so the 146 series looks like the best choice. Yes they are a bit cramped inside compared to the bigger Boeing/Airbus products but I'm sure the economics are much better assuming most of the sectors can't sustain +100 seaters all week.

Like you say, you need a few longer routes to make the CRJ profitable, although British Regional seem to do ok with the ERJ on UK domestic routes.
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RE: Flybe.

Sat Nov 02, 2002 4:22 am

ok, here we go again  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

EGBB, i have seen the a/c at bhx a few times,and don't know why it has'nt got the full livery, i would assume it had to be rushed back into service because of a/c shortages! We don't seem to be making a very goods job of the repainting eh!

in regards to our LGW route, its is doing very well thankyou  Smile/happy/getting dizzy BA may have put a 737 on SOME flights, but ours continue to have healthy loads in both business and economy cabins, despite the fact that BA don't charge for refreshments, whereas we do. I don't think flybe has any worries in Jersey, as we are known as the locals' airline with strong branding in both JER and GCI. In fact, it is a wonder to me why we dont increase frequency on the LGW-JER run in the summer, i worked down there for a few days and EVERY flight on the lates was 100% full if not overbooked. I think if someone like Easyjet came onto the route, THEN we would have problems!

Also, I am very puzzled as to why a low cost has'nt touched Jersey yet????

In relation to a 130/140 seater, UNLESS we went TOTALLY no frills, these would be flying around half full. Our only routes that could support these size a/c are:

LGW-JER (summer only)
LGW-GCI (summer only)
BHD-LGW
BHD-BHX
BHX-TLS (has performed very well this summer  Smile/happy/getting dizzy )

our AF flights are legally limited to 99 pax/flight, so they could'nt be used there. Personally though, i agree with your sentiments, in an ideal world i would like us to go totally low cost and operate the A318 and Q400, but its not an ideal world.

the main problem with going totally low cost for us is the AF contract. This contract is a VERY good earner for us and accounts for approx 40% of our revenue, therefore, there is little reality that AF would want a no frills carrier operating it's full service flights.

We heard the rumours about CRJ900s, but they are not suitable for our network (our charters in particular).

I did say we are aiming for a two type fleet, the 146 and Q400s. However, i really dont think we will get rid of the Q300s any time soon. In the longer term a new type will be needed. I honnestly don't know what to expect anymore, one minute the company is on the brink and the next it's rebranding and new uniforms. It is well publicised that our MD Jim French likes the Q400s, but what he forgets is that the majority of our passengers prefer jets (we actually have pax refusing to fly when they see it's a dash 8!) The management may decide to do something completely different, maybe revert to the Shed 360
and have a fleet of about 50!  Wink/being sarcastic

With the ERJ145 there are a few factors.
a)OUR CR1s cost about twice as much as the BA ER4s
b)i THINK the ERJ's operating economics are better than the CRJ's on shorter routes??
c)i'm pretty sure BA's load factor is higher than ours!

regards

mike



 
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RE: Flybe.

Sat Nov 02, 2002 4:44 am

The low cost airline have not touched Jersey yet because the taxes are too high for the low cost operators.People want the low cost airlines but because the airport is self funding the landing taxes are too expensive for the airlines to operate low cost flights and make a profit.Bmibaby have threatened to pull out at the beginning of the summer season if they do not come down.
Ryanair wanted to operate JER-STN but again because of the problems above they declined to operate the route.Even EZY have been given a license!

 
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RE: Flybe.

Sat Nov 02, 2002 4:47 am

i believe FlyBE have been advertising for more cabin crew to be based at EDI. A new route on the cards or just having staffing problems?
 
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RE: Flybe.

Sat Nov 02, 2002 4:59 am

in regards to the EDI base, we are recruiting cabin crew, our advert also mentions french speakers??? we are'nt taking back the EDI-CDG route as far as i know. No new routes, but i THINK we are going to staff the early EDI-BHX from EDI crews instead of BHX nightstopping crews.

There is one thing you need to know about flybe, we ALWAYS have staffing problems! BUT we are a good bunch of people and everyone pulls together in times of crisis(in terms if the Q400 crews, thats every day!)

regards

mike
 
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RE: Flybe.

Sat Nov 02, 2002 5:07 am

Hey!

I think it is great that people in the know are actually wanting our opinions...

I like the new livery on the 146 but it looks a bit odd on the dash...

Rgds,
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RE: Flybe.

Sat Nov 02, 2002 5:13 am

Mike,

A couple more questions  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Q400s anymore on order? or is that it

Exeter and Birmingham bases ..
does this work well or do you think it would be better all under one roof ...of course I would say this should be BHX...Over the last few weeks SAS have been sending Q400 for Flybe to work on ..will we be seeing more of this in the future from SAS or others? as it must be a good money maker, plus any news if you will ever build/expand the maint side here..i.e a nice new facility would be nice rather than the old hangar 2 which must be very very small.


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RE: Flybe.

Sat Nov 02, 2002 5:36 am

i am not collecting opinions OFFICIALLY, it's a bit sad really, i work for one of the worst paying companies and i have only been with them a year, but i'm very patriotic, and WILL pass your suggestions on  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

at the moment, we have no more Q400s on order. As i said our MD is very keen on them, so i would'nt be surprised if we got more. BUT it is worth saying that our engineers and crews are still getting to know the aircraft, and as a result, our dispatch reliability is'nt great for the big props. I would suspect that if we get any more they will be brand new examples, so we can keep all the a/c to the same spec.

Our exeter base is our HQ and main maintainence base, whereas BHX and BHD are our our main ops bases. Everyone outside of exeter says we should move the HQ and maintainence to BHX. We have a bit of a joke about exeter being a 'black hole', once you go in, you'll never get out again! We have the SAS Q400 contract, but i would'nt like to think of the discount we gave SAS in competition to other maintainence companies! Nevertheless, we have it, and thats good business for us!

I should'nt really be giving out all these little annecdotes, but about two weeks ago i was rostered to do the early BHX-CDG-BHX on JEBA. We went down to the stand the a/c was 'apparently' on, no a/c. After much telephone talking, we find out the a/c is in the bloody hangar and wont be ready for another 2 days! no-one had bothered to tell us. I just hope every airline is as useless as we are at times. It's worth pointing out that we do a lot of good too, and i believe our cabin crews are some of the friendliest and most genuine in the uk  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

there is talk of the Q300 at EXT being replaced with a Q400 next summer as our flights this summer did very well.

regards

mike
 
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RE: Flybe.

Sat Nov 02, 2002 6:57 am

For all that may be interested :

I understand that Aircraft Illustrated will have a article all about Flybe when it comes out next week with some rather excellent pictures taken by some brummie  Big grin

Derek

 
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RE: Flybe.

Sat Nov 02, 2002 8:28 am

Ive flown BE on the BHX-EXT-BHX, BHX-SNN-BHX and BHX-EDI-BHX routes on SD360, 146-300 and Q400 aircraft and I must admit the best one was the lastest Q400 EDI route. The rebranding has really worked, as a travel agent if I have any BE applicable route enquires I really do sell them despite the fact were a BA preffered agent lol **slap**

I love the new livery, its alot better than the bog standard BE one, and the AF colours are just horrendous.

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