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AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Sat Nov 02, 2002 12:12 am

It has been reported that an AeroMexico DC9-32 XA-AMF crash landed in Monterrey, Mexico. The airplane was carring 86 passengers and 4 crew. Injuries are reported. Monterrey Airport is closed, since it only has one runway. I will try to find more info on this.

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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Sat Nov 02, 2002 12:22 am

Full details about this can be found at http://www.elnorte.com/monterrey/articulo/257668/
Flight was GDL-MTY and posible reasons are: a) construction works in a taxiway, b) low visibility due to fog.



Only in Spanish.


Monterrey, México.- El recorte de la pista a causa de la construcción de calles de rodado, la poca visibilidad originada por la lluvia y la neblina, y una falla en el tren de aterrizaje fueron las posibles causas de que un avión de Aeroméxico se saliera de la pista luego de aterrizar en el Aeropuerto Internacional Mariano Escobedo, dejando al menos 11 lesionados.

Debido a este incidente, el aeropuerto suspendió sus operaciones, sin que hasta el momento se haya reportado el reinicio de actividades.

Según versiones de algunos pasajeros del vuelo 254, una de las llantas del avión MD-83 con capacidad para 150 pasajeros se salió de la pista mientras la aeronave rodaba rumbo a la terminal aérea.

Extraoficialmente se informó que el accidente ocurrió por una falla en el tren de aterrizaje y por la densa niebla.

El avión salió de Guadalajara a las 21:20 horas y debió haber llegado a Monterrey a las 22:35 horas.

Tras el incidente, la aeronave terminó con parte de su ala izquierda a escasos centímetros del suelo, lo que provocó la movilización de las autoridades aeroportuarias, militares y de auxilio.

Aunque personal de la terminal aérea pretendió ocultar los hechos, fueron varios los pasajeros que revelaron la situación.

"Para nosotros el vuelo transcurría normal. Yo venía en el asiento 7A al lado izquierdo del avión", dijo Eduardo Leal, uno de los pasajeros.

"Lo que pasó cuando llegamos fue que primero intentamos aterrizar, pero quedamos muy lejos de la pista, como a 50 metros, fuera completamente.

"Sin tocar tierra, el avión volvió a subir y el piloto nos avisó que íbamos a intentar de nuevo el aterrizaje porque la niebla estaba muy densa", expresó.

De acuerdo a la versión de los pasajeros, el piloto voló durante varios minutos más para después intentar un nuevo aterrizaje.

Al momento de tocar la pista, y tras aplicar el freno, la aeronave derrapó y se salió de la pista número 11 hasta hundirse en la tierra.

El pasajero aseguró que el avión se hundió más de un metro y que el ala izquierda quedó pegada al suelo.

"Después de que se detuvo, hubo nerviosismo de la azafata que nos atendía", añadió Leal.

Tras el accidente, el personal de abordo abrió una de las puertas de emergencia y por el tobogán de aire bajaron a los pasajeros.

"Comenzamos a bajar todos nerviosos, hasta que llegaron los camiones de transporte", dijo.

Jorge Bujano, comandante en turno de la Cruz Roja, dijo que fue hasta una hora después cuando una persona del departamento de operaciones del aeropuerto pidió fueran enviadas las ambulancias, mencionando que había un gran número de heridos.

A la llegada de los rescatistas, los guardias de la central aérea les dieron instrucciones de acomodar las unidades en las entradas principales, sin que penetraran hasta donde se encontraba la nave.

Entre las personas heridas se encuentran Jorge Cañamar Volante, de 41 años; Ricardo Saucedo Valdés, de 50; Alejandra Villagómez Bueno, 29; su esposo José Juan Domínguez, de 36 y su pequeña hija Alexia, de 3 meses, todos ellos fueron internados en el Hospital Muguerza.

También fueron trasladados al mismo nosocomio, Waine Deczinski, de 41 años; Eduardo Gumara Luna, de 40; Cinthya Verónica Junio Franco, de 30; Gastón Ramiro Ortiz Ramírez, de 32; Edmundo Julio Osullivan Leonse, de 50, presunto capitán de la nave, y su copiloto Louis Alexandre Dechoulot Lavemne, de 26.
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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Sat Nov 02, 2002 12:47 am

The most important facts for people who can read even less spanish than me; the plane ran off the runway at the second landing attempt in fog, there were no fatalities but 5 wounded (maybe due to evacuation?). The plane sank one meter into soft ground while a wing remains on the runway. Local authorities tried to hide (?) what happened but the passengers told.
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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Sat Nov 02, 2002 1:17 am

At least no one was killed, which is good. Congratulations to the pilots for doing the best they could. I fly to MTY very frequently and pilots have told me that it is one of the most difficult and dangerous airports when its foggy and raining, for reasons I don't know of. I have been in landings at MTY under similar conditions in two ocassions, one of them was pretty bad and we were very close to running off the runway, stoppingwith full brakes at the very end. In both cases, the pilot told us before landing that it was possible that he might have to go around and try again or even to divert to nearby Saltillo airport.
 
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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Sat Nov 02, 2002 1:34 am

And there is more on this story... Rescue teams were not alloud to help passengers until one hour after the crash... the passengers had to walk from the runway to the terminal and then to the airport exit in order to get some help from the "red-cross". The airline and the airport tried to hide the incident at all cost because of the reputation of AeroMexico and Monterrey Airport... this is the second time AeroMexico has problems with a small runway (less than 3000 meters) due to maintenance... last one was in Reinosa, Mexico...

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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Sat Nov 02, 2002 2:03 am

It has been very rainy here in Monterrey for the last two or three weeks. Very bad weather indeed, and tonight was not an exception.

Does anyone know, why pilots say that Mty is a difficult airport?
 
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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Sat Nov 02, 2002 2:08 am


I take it the aircraft was an MD-83 and not a DC-9 from what I read (although if you want to get super-technical it was a DC-9-83  Smile )

I'm guessing MTY doesn't have Cat III approach capability?
 
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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Sat Nov 02, 2002 2:19 am

In English:




The North
Monterrey, Mexico. - The cut of the track because of the construction of rolling streets, the little visibility originated in the rain and the fog, and a fault in the undercarriage was the possible causes that an airplane of Aeroméxico left the track after landing in the Airport the International Mariano Escobedo, leaving at least 11 injured.

After remaining all the night closed, the airport partially initiated its operations to 8:35 hours when leaving a Mexican airplane from Aviation course to the City of Mexico.

Until the moment, it is the only flight that has left.

According to versions of some passengers of flight 254, one of the rims of airplane Md-83 with capacity for 150 passengers left the track while the airship rolled course to the aerial terminal.

Unofficially one inquired that the accident happened by a fault in the undercarriage and by the dense fog.

The airplane, that left Guadalajara to 21:20 hours and must have arrived at Monterrey to 22:35 hours, on board brought to 86 passengers and four crew.

After the incident, the airship finished with part of its left wing to little centimeters of the ground, which caused the mobilization of the aeroportuarias authorities, military and of aid.

Although personal of the aerial terminal it tried to hide the facts, were several the passengers who revealed the situation.

"For us the flight passed normal. I came in the alongside left seat 7A from the airplane ", said Loyal Eduardo, one of the passengers.

"What happened when we arrived he was that first we tried to land, but we were very far from the track, like a 50 meters, outside completely.

"Without touching earth, the airplane returned to raise and the pilot warned to us that we were going to try the landing again because the fog was very dense", it expressed.

According to the version of the passengers, the pilot flew during several minutes later to try a new landing more.

At the time of touching the track, and after applying the brake, the airship skidded and number 11 left the track until sinking in the Earth.

The passenger assured that the airplane sank more of a meter and that the left wing was beaten to the ground.

"After one stopped, there was nervousness of the stewardess who took care of to us", she added Loyal.

After the accident, the personnel side opened one of the emergency doors and by tobogán of air they lowered to the passengers.

"We began to lower all nervous ones, until the transport vehicle trucks arrived", it said.

Jorge Bujano, commander in turn of the Red Cross, said that he was up to one hour later when a person of the department of operations of the airport requested were sent the ambulances, mentioning that was a great number of wounded.

To the arrival of the rescatistas, the guards of the aerial power station gave instructions to accommodate the units them in the main entrances, without they penetrated to where was the ship.

Personnel of the airline indicated that the injured ones, between which includes a crew member, were with slight injuries, like contusions and esguince, reason why today could be registered of the hospitals in where they recover.

Between the wounded people they are Jorge Flying Cañamar, of 41 years; Ricardo Saucedo Valdés, of 50; Alejandra Good Villagómez, of 29; its husband Jose Juan Domínguez, of 36; and their small daughter Alexia, of 3 months, all of them were committed in the Muguerza Hospital.

Also they were transferred to same nosocomio Waine Deczinski, of 41 years; Eduardo Gumara Moon, of 40; Cinthya Verónica Frank June, of 30; Gastón Ramiro Ortiz Ramirez, of 32; Edmundo Julio Osullivan Leonse, of 50, presumed captain of the ship, and his copilot Louis Alexandre Dechoulot Lavemne, of 26.

They retire track airplane

Workers of Aeroméxico make in this morning maneuvers to retire the airplane that left the track last night.

Alexander Yberri, director of marketing research and services to the client of Aeroméxico, said that until the moment the only information that is had is on an supposed fault in the fuselage of airplane DC 932.

It said that this morning arrived at technical the personal airport of the company to make the expert work of the damages of the airplane and to have one more a more accurate information.

Yberri added that the airplane must be retired for this noon, although the maneuvers are slowed down by condiicones of rain that prevail.

According to the employee of Aeroméxico, the exits and arrivals continue normal like in the rest of the airlines.

"At the moment there is no problem in the flights planned by Aeroméxico, the information that I have is that they are going to continue operating, if there were unexpected a company would let it know to the passengers through our telephones on watch.
(By Alvaro Fertile valley, Gabino Arriaga, Innocent Castro and Iván Mata)
 
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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Sat Nov 02, 2002 2:19 am

Mvela777,

I wish I knew, butthe pilot (AM MD-80 fleet) who told me this didn't really have time to explain why. And who knows, he might find it difficult but other pilots might have other opinions. From my personal experience, in both ocassions thepilots made the warning I mentioned above.

Cactus319,

Reforma Newspaper (same group as EL Norte) has the same article in its webpage, but with an additional section where they talk about the removal activities of the plane going on right now, and in this article they report the aircraft as a DC-9. Aeromexico's timetable (on their website) has this flight as flight 254 operated by a MD-87, so who knows.
 
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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Sat Nov 02, 2002 2:24 am

Ah, thanks Pmk, this was the article I was talking about. First it talks about an MD-83 and further down about a DC-9, so who knows. . .my fiancee is flying in (I hope!!) from MTY tonight, so if the plane is still there I'll ask her. Problem is, she doesn't really know much about aviation so Ill have to ask her if it was the "long" or the "short" plane  Smile
 
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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Sat Nov 02, 2002 2:37 am

The original poster lists a reg. # XA-AMF, if that's true, then it's a DC-9-32, see our database.
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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Sat Nov 02, 2002 2:45 am

Thank you Cx340.

Many approaches and landings at MTY that I have experienced have been very rough. Specially when I rid one of those Metro III from Aerolitoral¡.
 
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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Sat Nov 02, 2002 3:38 am

Once again, it was a Dc9... DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY ARE GOING TO GET RID OF THOSE PLANES!!! OTHERWISE, FLY WITH MEXICANA!!!!!!!! After this I hope ASPA (Pilots Union), approved the contract for the 737s NG pilots, but as long as they keep fighting for more benefits AeroMexico is being affected with things like this and their reputation is going down....

Anyway a friend of mine, which is a pilot and work at MTY rescue, gave me his report:

Recibí una llamada de Protección Civil del Estado a las 11:50 PM solicitando información que reportaban que una aeronave se había despistado en el Aeropuerto MMMY investigando y llegando al lugar de los hechos reportaban que la aeronave se le reventó una llanta del tren de aterrizaje y por eso se despisto.. posterior mente entre al aeropuerto a la cabecera de la pista 11 y saque esta conclusión.

La aeronave tenia 13400 Lbs de combustible en los tanques laterales realizo 2 aproximaciones frustradas (fallidas) y también se encontraba la pista en mantenimiento sobre la contracción de una nueva calle de rodaje 800mts la aeronave con muy baja visibilidad realizando el ultimo intento aterrizo después del lumbral de la pista que recordando que ya tenia 800mts. menos que lo normal … la aeronave toco aproximadamente entre la pista 11-29 16-34 y no pudo hacer su frenado correctamente posteriormente se impacto en el lumbral de la pista 11dañando el tren principal Izquierdo dañando el ala Izquierda desprendiendo una parte de los Flaps, cuando entra al lodo que se encontraba fuera de la cabecera de la pista cayo el tren de nariz también dañándolo, y posterior continuo frenándose con el fuselaje y quedo ladeado hacia la izquierda.

Extraño? Bueno Aeromexico solicito que arribara una aeronave DC-9-32 con 25 mecánicos para realizar maniobras con la aeronave… y su aterrizaje fue excelente no llego ni a la cabecera de la pista 11

Error del piloto digo yo!!!

También tengo conocimiento que el Capitán era el mismo piloto que se despisto en el aeropuerto de Reynosa Tamps. Que ta caon no creen?

Aeronave: DC-9-32 XA-AMF

Bueno me retire del lugar a las 7 AM del aeropuerto que aun se encontraban haciendo maniobras para retirarlo de la cabecera….

Att. Cap. Arredondo
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This is AM's fault, for not putting on ground their old 9s.

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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Sat Nov 02, 2002 3:48 am

Ghost77 > This accident is not related to the airframe, neither was the Reynosa incident in October 2000. It could have happened to any aircraft. The DC-9s are fine, XA-AMF is built in the early 80s, but the DC-9s is like a tank, look at Aerocalifornia, Aeropostal, ASERCA, Northwest etc which never have frame related accidents.
I believe you are biased against AM and for MX....
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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Sat Nov 02, 2002 3:53 am

Sorry for posting this too late but network was down due rain.

Well according to local media, you can click on http://www.canal12.tv, local station and news will start at 12:30 CST), it was a DC-9 32, it skidded off at 10.25 local time last night. Here in Monterrey weather is poor, since im at college I can't get the METAR but we have 17°C and rain all over the city.

As always everyone is quiet, no one is saying about it, only the media has been speculating about it. I can't confirm the reg, because reg and tail was undercover.

Here are some pics of the aircraft this morning:

http://www.geocities.com/david_alanis/amex1.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/david_alanis/amex2.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/david_alanis/amex3.jpg

And weather when it happen:
http://www.geocities.com/david_alanis/wamex.jpg

More to come later:
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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Sat Nov 02, 2002 3:58 am


Ghost77:

From what I read from your friend, it looks like the pilots landed long on a short runway. How is that the fault of the aircraft?

 
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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Sat Nov 02, 2002 4:02 am

I am glad that it wasnt worst. Good thing everyone is ok. If this was the same pilot of the incident that happened in Reynosa, AM needs to fire him.
 
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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Sat Nov 02, 2002 4:19 am

David_mx:

Can't access your pages for the pictures, can you publish them in another page?? Do you have any other links?

Thanks
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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Sat Nov 02, 2002 4:33 am

MEA-707,

In part yes! I prefer MX. Definetly the Dc9s are very nice acfts, I loved them! I've flown AM, JR, 6A Dc9s, I've been in La Paz at California's maintenance base, here at MEX in AM, and 6A maintenance base, everything is perfect, I have read your trip reports to Mexico, you like my country, but lets say you or me where yesterday in that fly... how would you be?? Don't know you, but me I would be definetly pissed off, of course the way of thinking about AM would change for me after that moment, is not fair the dead of 6 or 8 people in the incident of REX... what if yesterday things had been in a different way, and right now we were discussing how sad was the lost of 89 souls..

Glad, this was not the case, also there are more unfair things, passengers that are trusting their life's to AM, also the HI FARES, to received a treat of this kind???????????... how come any other current airline with Dc9 operations got no Incidents.... everything is AeroMexico's fault with their idea to arrive ON TIME no MATTER WHAT... and their 99.999999% punctuality stats.... I think your life and safety is more important than having the best record in punctuality.... a friend of mine that works at AMX maintenance base told me the incident that happened in REX was because the pilots sometimes look forced to arrived on time, instead of going around again, or just fly to the alternate, which I think is better.... I'm acting in this way, because everything in Mexico is wrong! He have to start working in every small detail, and I'm not saying this is only has to be in the aviation industry... this has to be everywhere.... in the order to have a better country.....

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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Sat Nov 02, 2002 4:55 am

I fly a lot to Matamoros and Reynosa and people who fly from MTY, REX or MAM know that when these airports are affected by fog it is very difficult to land. Last year I arrived at MAM and the people in the AM counter told me that the airport was closed due to fog... but she checked my bags and gave me my boarding pass just in case... I went to the JR (AeroCalifornia) counter and they told me that their flight was cancelled and the inbound aircraft divert to Monterrey... I was thinking that AM will do the same, but to my surprise, they decided to send the aircraft.... two hours later we heard from the observation deck the engines of an airplane soaring... after 5 attempts, the pilot finally landed the airplane... It was good news for me, since I didn't want to stay in MAM one more day, but it was quite dangerous if the pilot would have missed the runway... After talking to an AM pilot about this, he told me that in circumstances like this one, they have the order to land the airplane most of the times, because if not, it is lost revenue for AM... hope AM starts taking care of issue like this if they want to get a better record of accidents... just my two cents.

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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Sat Nov 02, 2002 4:58 am

Cactus,

Seems the crew did the same mistake like in REX, they landed probably at 2/4 of the runway... but trust me if that acft was a 37, 57 or newer, brake sistems will be much better... if technology exist, why not make use of it....

MXA,

Don't remember the pilots last name of REX, but if he was the same PIC, definetly there has to be a punishment...

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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Sat Nov 02, 2002 5:04 am

Ok, here's where you can get them...

http://www.geocities.com/david_alanis

David.
 
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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Sat Nov 02, 2002 5:47 am

MTY runway is not short. It is 3,000m long or 9,852ft. Besides, it has two runways (not parallel). The second one is 1,865m or 6,124ft

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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Sat Nov 02, 2002 9:50 am

This post is for Ghost77.
First of all I normally don't do this but I am tired of reading this guy's posts.
1. Before you even think about starting to criticize, why don't you go to an English school and learn how to write correctly.
2. You have absolutely no right to say this kind of things about any company whatsoever.
3. Please don't come up with this bullshit that AeroMexico is having all these accidents (as you say) because of their ageing DC9's. If DC9's weren't reliable airplanes, they wouldn't be in service anymore would they?
4. In your first post, you stated that the pilot flying the aircraft involved in yesterday's accident was the same one that was flying the DC9 in the flight from Mexico City bound for Reynosa when a similar incident happened. Am I right? First, be sure is a fact and not a rumor because those little thing are the ones that bring down the reputation of ANY company, but specially an airline.
5. I understand that we all want to see the NG 737's in AeroMexico's color and that ASPA is a pain in the &*&^% but these problems that all companies have to go through, now if you are so desperate to see them flying soon, why don't you run for ASPA's Homecoming King and try to fix the problem.
And 6, I've read your posts in several occasions and, Did you know that you can get in serious trouble for saying stuff without being sure? I didn't think so!
If u think you know so much please, don't show it off so much because remember, there is always one that's gonna beat you.
Oh and just for the record I am a MEXICANA guy. HAVE A NICE ONE.

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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Sat Nov 02, 2002 1:29 pm

OK, first of all, AeroMexico has had too many of this accidents in the past few months. The MD-83 that landed in Santa Lucia AFB, the 767 with an engine failure after takeoff from Santiago, and a couple of MD-80 engine failures. And now this.

It's easy to jump to wrong conclusions immediately after accidents like this one, but anyway, the most probable factors that contributed to the accident were, as stated in a previous post, poor weather conditions and the shorter landing distance available due to some work being done on the runway's threshold or a taxiway. Also, someone said something about a blown tire upon landing.

Now, the runway was supposedly 800m shorter, which brings the 9483ft available down to 7218ft. That is considerably shorter, especially for a night landing under poor weather conditions.

Someone asked about MTY's ILS capability, and runway 29 where the crashland took place has an ILS CAT I approach. Opposite arrivals into runway 11 use a VOR/DME approach. Just as a side note, anything better than a CAT I approach is too much to ask in Mexico... In AeroMexico and Mexicana, only AMX's 757s/767s and their crews are qualified for CAT III approaches, since they fly to airports like CDG, JFK, and ORD.

I don't want to blame anything on the pilots before knowing all the facts, but I think sometimes crews insist too much on landing under situations where a diversion would be much safer and more logical. "Forced" landings cause this kind of accidents.

By looking at the pictures taken at MTY, I can say that the airplane is definitely a DC9-32. AeroMexico changes aircraft a lot from what is published in timetables and schedules, so depending on the demand for specific flights, aircraft availability, etc., you can get a DC9 or any of their very diverse MD80 fleet.

Finally, can anyone explain with a little more detail the nature of the so much mentioned construction work? And it would be great if someone could confirm the DC9 involved was XA-AMF, and the blown tire upon landing issue.

It's sad Mexican authorities and media can't handle this kind of situations in better ways. Take the recent LH744/MX320 near miss over Mexico City's airspace for example. In Europe or the USA this incident wouldn't have passed unnoticed by anyone. In this case, only a German magazine mentioned it. I bet German authorities and Lufthansa are conducting a tremendously serious investigation compared to what could be going on in Mexico's DGAC (Mexican FAA) and Mexicana. Here in Mexico, nobody can tell you anything about it, nobody knows anything, nobody seems to care. CNN would have given it "Breaking News" priority an hour or less after it happened. I don't know how long it's been since then and details about the incident are just too much to ask for in this country... That upsets me. A lot.

Bernardo in Mexico City.
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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Sat Nov 02, 2002 2:40 pm

Riad,

1. No problem at all... from now on I'll keep my mouth quiet!

2. I know I need more english classes, since I'm terrible, I'm only 16 years old, who needs to grow up, have more experiences, I don't blame you if you can't understand my cheesy english... please tougth me enlgish when you have the time, as you might be a very occupied person with lots of things to do.... I'm really sorry I can't be at your level... ahhh what a pity... !

3. I got no rights to said those kind of things to airlines.... hello, this is a forum.. I know forums are to discuss things from your interest with different points of view.....

4. In part yes, I'm saying this accidents had occurred because of their old Dc9s, probably here the main problem is not because of their maintenance, the problem is their great punctuality... of course... IN MY VERY PERSONAL POINT OF VIEW.

5. Yes I said PIC from REX was the same from yesterday, that's what the report of my friend Israel Arredondo report, I don't remember well the Last Name of the pilot from REX, that's why in my second post I state I WAS NOT SHURE, you want the correct information? If you want it just leave your post and I'll let you know the exact and complete names of the crews, so in this case AeroMexico's reputation don't get affected with my words...

6. Easy... don't read my post... when you enter anet, and see any topic related to Mexican aviation when you come up to my nickname, just don't pay attention or keep scrolling the bar...

AND OF COURSE, You don't need to mention that I'm not the best ANET user in here, I know it all ready... Did I say that??? I know there's always a person who is going to bit me, and those are the persons I like to learn from...

Something else, feel free to post any comment! I really like constructive criticism... thank you for making me be a better 'boy' and person in life!

Thoughtfully

Ricardo Morales  Smile
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david_mx
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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Sat Nov 02, 2002 3:45 pm

Here you can find updated screen shots of the crash landing, with a brief explanation and diagram.

http://www.geocities.com/david_alanis

Hope you find it useful.

David.
 
sr117
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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Sat Nov 02, 2002 7:58 pm

Regarding near misses being news.... I'm sorry but I never hear about near misses making the US evening news or the likes. Maybe they show up in a paper or a report here and there.

When a serious incident happens it always gets coverage... when the AMX DC-9 went off the runway and broke up in REX it was in all the newscasts, when the TAESA DC9 crashed it was in all the news too. Even in 1986 when the Mexicana 727 (yes, mexicana planes also have accidents) crashed in Michoacan with 160+ fatalities, it was covered by the media, even though in those times things were much more tight lipped in the media.
So I have to disagree about the lack of information, there is information, but a small incident isn't gonna get much coverage, and I don't expect to see front page ads touting a near miss over Mexico City.
 
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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Sun Nov 03, 2002 1:38 pm

Hola Ricardo (SR117),

I agree with you on big accidents like TAESA's getting immediate coverage, but that's just how far it gets. They cover the news, but they don't follow it like they should, and therefore not enough information gets to the public.

Let me give you one example. American Airlines Flight 587's CVR transcripts were just released. I have CNN, and they've been talking about it. Did you ever see Lopez Doriga or Alatorre talking about new developments on the TAESA accident or the Reynosa crashland months after they took place? The worst thing is, they make so much mistakes and give wrong or useless information when they do give news about an aviation accident. That is a fact, it's not just my opinion. I've seen how CNN or ABC News or BBC follow airline accidents, and Mexican media have no idea when it comes to giving this kind of reports. They're not professional when it comes to that matter.

And again, I've seen near misses making TV news in the US. Many of them, and I'm not making that up. How could such a tremendously potential accident like a near miss (and near miss as in VERY close) between an A320 and a 747-400 pass unknown??? It's like the event never happened. How lame is that?

Anyway, about the DC-9 crashland in Monterrey, I can confirm it was XA-AMF. If anyone could explain me the nature of the construction work that reduced the runway length, I'd really appreciate it.
"... for there you have been and there you will long to return."
 
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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Sun Nov 03, 2002 2:51 pm

Bernardo,

I agree with you about the Mexican media. I think the big problem is that they want to get a full coverage minutes after the incident/accident., they always cover the news with people non-related to aviation, they want to get more audience, instead of waiting for a detailed explanation from the airline. But another fact is that airlines in Mexico never give a full detailed report  Sad. Sad, pathetic, but that's the truth.

I think media in Mexico is too far away from giving detailed explanations with correct information.

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I don't know Monterrey's runway length, but it was reduced 800 mts, right now they are doing works with the pavement of this runway, this contruction work started in Oct 17 24th, the same day that PAPI lights for 11/29, ILS for rwy 29 were adjusted for the new runway length until work is done, they send a NOTAM to all airlines flying to MTY so everyone was advertised of the work....

I don't want to discuss anymore about the incident at MTY last Thursday 1st, but as I mention above, and I want to confirm that it was the same PIC of REX., Capt. Corsa, hope AeroMexico's reputation don't get affected with "confidential information or names that have to be hidden" available at many WWW sites. To bad to know it was the same captain from REX Sad.

Finally, I was told that this was probably the last flight of XA-AMF with AeroMexico and that it will not go back to the air, because of the damage that the left or right wing suffered while landing.

ghost77  Smile

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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Mon Nov 04, 2002 2:25 am

Ricardo (Ghost77),

Thanks for that (repavement issue).

So... one more DC9 retired from service...
"... for there you have been and there you will long to return."
 
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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mex

Mon Nov 04, 2002 7:41 am

Hi to all.
Well here is a nose section photo of Aeromexico XA-AMF I shot almost 2 weeks before the Monterrey incident. Maybe one of its last shots in service.
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Tanks and have a good day.
Jorge Rocafort

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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Tue Nov 05, 2002 6:09 am

Hi guys,!
Well first of all the TOPICS TITLE is WRONG!!!!!!!!
It should be Dc9 skids off runway at MTY!!!, can you imagine the diference between Crash landed and skids of the runway!!!!!!You make it sound like those news guys that dont have a clue.

Well yesterday when i got back from a 6 day layover i passed by flight control to ask some things, and a flight dispatcher told me that just 1 hour ago there had been some changes at mty airports. The PAPI lights had not been certified to the 2100ft. and that now that they did the new certification yesterday, now it turned out that the new runway length is 1800ft. so 300ft were wrong given to us as pilots of runway length available. so a new notam has been issued; ILS for runway 29 is out of service until the 10 of december!!!! which to me is amazing that they are fixing it now and had the whole summer alone. I saw the runway yesterday as i departed flight AM957
MTY-MEX on an MD83 (EI-BTY) and it was nothing that the plane skided off.

I talked to a controller yesterday, and he told me that after landing, the tower told pilots to exit at the end, but did not inform them that the end had terrible braking action and heard them apply reverse thrust again but didnt help them enough.

Beleive me, Im a Pilot that flys into MTY alot, and in these conditions its realy critical, but to have these limitations its even worse:

1.- NO ILS.(OUT OF SERVICE)
2.- RUNWAY LENGTH TOLD WRONG WAS 2100FT.
NOW 1800FT DUE TO PAPI LIGHTS CERTF.
3.- BAD BRAKING ACTION( NOT INFORMED TO PILOTS)
4.- TERRIBLE BAD WEATHER!!!!!!!!
What more do you want against your landing, its hard but hopefully after this incident, authoritites will open there eyes and see the real truth!!!!!!

Sad for XA-AMF, which i flew when i flew the DC9s, but they have to go!

And today ASPA has its union asembly to sign 2 things.

1.- The 70 pilots end there 1 year permit
2.- B737-700 introduction and sign of the contract with the company!

So good things are headed our way with the B737 cooking in the oven!

Thanks and have a good one!

JAVO.
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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Tue Nov 05, 2002 6:49 am

JAVO,

Good to see you again in the forums! I hope from now on you can participate a bit more with us.

Too bad PAPI lights were not CERTIF as they should be, and as I was told.. probably that was one of the main problems... without a doubt WX conditions was another problem.

Good to know those 70 pilots are going back to the air. Also you know what was the resolution of the 50 pilots MX was going to ground or did they finally stayed??

One last q, you know what was previous registration of XA-TWA *Md87*, or is it the last MD87 that came to AM from Vanguard???

Thanks for everything in adv.

ghost77  Smile

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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Tue Nov 05, 2002 9:58 am

Javo

Thank you for telling us the real truth, no one in MTY is saying that the ILS is out of service, is really impresive how they hide important information.

That changes my viewpoint, and hope they can understand that an international airport can't be working with such bad operational conditions.

David.
 
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RE: AeroMexico's DC9 Crash Lands In Monterrey, Mexico

Wed Nov 06, 2002 12:29 am

I just arrived from a trip to Houston and I didn't have time to follow up the news nor to make updates to this topic...

JavoMD88:

First of all, I don't understand why you criticize the TOPIC of THIS POST??? Posts like this are started based on very few information and facts in order to figure out what happened. Believe me, if I was a magician, I will have used my magic to see the future and I would have known exactly what happened with the DC9 and that it skid off the runway in order to give the post the perfect topic. I'm sorry you didn't like it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know you like AeroMexico a lot because it is your workplace and you will do everything you can to defend AM... and I respect that. The fact here is that Taesa was criticized a lot prior to their grounding because they were having many small incidents. People started talking that Taesa was not safe and finally a major accident and they were grounded. It is the second time AeroMexico has an airplane with problems in the runway. The thing here is that it could have been a Mexicana F100 or a CO B735 or an AA F100 or any airplane of an airline operating in MTY, but it was AM. I know that there were facts that contributed to the accident (ILS, runway length, etc) but once more AM has problems on a landing.

Hope AM starts taking care of accidents like this one, because if not, they won't be able to stop the media from giving them extra coverage while reporting them to the public... and they don't want that, since the government just postponed the sell of CINTRA because there were no buyers for both airlines and they post a huge loss for the first half of the year...

Rojo