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Couldn't Care Less About PTV's

Sat Nov 02, 2002 9:46 pm

So many people seem to consider a PTV to be an absolutely major must-have in an airliner. "Airlines and airliners w/o PTV's, the size of PTV's, programming, games, etc."

I first saw PTV's (in couch) on VS and then I think on SR maybe some ten years ago and since that on numerous airlines both in business/first and coach. After the first few experiences you don't pay attention to them. A book or some work are something better to do. Actually very many people seem to think the same way - especially in premier classes. After all, it's only a poor quality TV and don't we all have 100+ channels at home, and you only watch a few of them and only so little. Except the kids...

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RE: Couldn't Care Less About PTV's

Sat Nov 02, 2002 9:57 pm

FFlyer, when flying from Hong Kong to England each summer, I'd hope to have a PTV. It's a long way, and it's longer if you have to stop over in Singapore. Total flying time of around 16 or 17 hours. Now you might tell me to sleep when I fly, well, I'm not good at that, especially when the flight leaves in the morning and you arrive in the UK in the evening. If I want to read a book, I'll turn off the PTV and read one.

I'd at least like to have the option to watch. If you don't want to watch entertainment on the PTV's then, go ahead and turn it off, but don't stop the hundreds of people I see in their seats when flying that are happily watching a movie, comedy, cartoon, playing games, or what have you.

It's great to have the choice- especially on a long haul flight.

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RE: Couldn't Care Less About PTV's

Sat Nov 02, 2002 9:59 pm

Fine, airlines like LH and KL will be happy about passengers like you. I for myself prefer PTV airlines, more entertainment, more options, always updated, more fun. VS has just shown what's possible on their new A346, video and audio on demand, at any time. I think it's great, they care for their pax.

If you don't like them, don't use them. Some poeple only fly once a year, maybe eight hours, ok, then they don't need them. But when you fly many times, legs with 14 hours or more, then you realize how helpful they are.

But it's good when some people read some books on their flights instead, in many cases these books are the only ones they read at all...


I prefer both, PTVs and taking a book.


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RE: Couldn't Care Less About PTV's

Sat Nov 02, 2002 10:07 pm

Thanks for the comments. My point, however, was that the more you see those (PTV's) around and the more you fly, the less you care about them. the same with other amenities. You pay less attention to the whole thing, and it is not the most important thing in the world. And having one on a one hour flight...
 
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RE: Couldn't Care Less About PTV's

Sat Nov 02, 2002 10:07 pm

Well, I enjoy PTVs... but I tend not to sleep in the end ! LOL

One thing I do not like is when the crew expects you to watch it and they disappear inbetween meal service or when you ask for something, they give you this "why can't you watch the PTV or sleep so we don't have to do anything else" look...

It's annoying when they do that... luckily, they rarely do...

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RE: Couldn't Care Less About PTV's

Sat Nov 02, 2002 10:29 pm

Well although I do not fly long hauls very often, but I can tell you on long flights, even in F or J class, without a PTV time just goes by SOOOO slow..

But with PTVs, you watch a few movies and play some games and you will find that it kills time. Although PTVs tend to make me 'forget' to sleep and end up having jetlag.. hehe..

I am sure those people who wants to sleep but cannot sleep because of the seat in Y class would welcome the PTV as an addition.
 
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RE: Couldn't Care Less About PTV's

Sat Nov 02, 2002 10:44 pm

If you don't care about PTV's that's fine. BUT I do. I think it would be better if we had a choice. Don't use your PTV the next time you fly, but I sure will.
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RE: Couldn't Care Less About PTV's

Sun Nov 03, 2002 12:29 am

I don't care about them either, yeah, it might be nice to have, but in these days when everybody is complaining about how much tv America's(and I am sure other countries as well) youth is watching way too much tv, it is better to sleep, read, or listen to some music. Sure, they might be nice to have, but I am not going to judge the airline based on that factor as I probably won't use it that much anyway.

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RE: Couldn't Care Less About PTV's

Sun Nov 03, 2002 1:10 am

I don't watch them really, Virgin had a channel for the Larry Sanders Show in early 2001 which was a huge thrill, and I saw K-Pax on Emirates coming back from Sydney at the beginning of 2002. But generally I switch it onto the map page and glance up occasionally from a good book to see where we are.

It's a real bad sign when you can't live without the goddam TV, even when you're actually flying. What a bizarre species.

Hey, here's the real problem I have with inflight entertainment. You're streaking across oceans, mountains, incredible cloudscapes, and the cabin crew tell you to pull your blind so other people can watch some dumb movie about bears playing baseball or some other "family" entertainment banality. So you sit in this marvel of technology, whizzing along, with mindbending views of the planet sliding past, with all the blinds drawn. How truly odd it that?

I tell the cabin crew they must be having a larf and leave the blind open.
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RE: Couldn't Care Less About PTV's

Sun Nov 03, 2002 1:25 am

If you don't care if your carrier has PTV's for long haul....then clearly you do NOT travel much.

Anymore, they are essential.

I've been fortunate enough to fly biz class overseas..so it's not been an issue for years. But I can't imagine not having them...
 
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RE: Couldn't Care Less About PTV's

Sun Nov 03, 2002 1:41 am

On average, it seems that the 30 and under crowd prefer PTVs. It seems the older, more educated prefer to read. I (in my 40s), too, prefer to read, even on the many long hauls I fly. I read half of "The Corrections" by Jonathan Franzen on a Baltimore to San Francisco flight the other day. I hope to finish it on my return tomorrow. Excellent book.

There are many, many teens on this forum. Studies are showing, regrettably, that younger folks just don't read much anymore. Reading stimulates intellectual thought much, much more than staring at a screen.

Though I'm pro-choice on this PTV thing, the dumbing-down of society continues at a rapid pace.
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RE: Couldn't Care Less About PTV's

Sun Nov 03, 2002 1:48 am

It has nothing to do with the dumbing down of society. I don't watch much TV at home, I read books too, but on a night flight of 7 hours, I'd rather lie back and watch a good movie on the PTV. It's up to me to decide.
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RE: Couldn't Care Less About PTV's

Sun Nov 03, 2002 2:04 am

Greg, that is an interesting observation. I totally disagree - in my opinion, the more you travel, the less you are interested. I have flown about 200K miles in the last 18 months or so, mostly with no PTVs. If they're there, all I use them for is to check the map when I wake up and occasionally watch a movie if there is an interesting one. Usually the movies are mostly crap though and I prefer to sleep anyway. My last two flights in C class I didn't bother getting out the screen after I stowed it after the first meal service. In Eco the stupid boxes under the seats also block the already unacceptable legroom. Give me the "no PTV ancient seats old planes" lovely TG Y class with 34" legroom and great food and crews anyday over 31" pitch and tiny screens.
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RE: Couldn't Care Less About PTV's

Sun Nov 03, 2002 2:36 am


A PTV is just a nice touch to have and I love them. It's an option the airline offers you - i.e. good service !

I know some people around here consider a 5 hour flight a longhaul. Of course you don't absolutely need them on such a flight, but on a real longhaul (10-16 hours) you don't want to miss them as you'll get freaking bored with your book.
 
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RE: Couldn't Care Less About PTV's

Sun Nov 03, 2002 3:15 am

Industry studies of frequent business travelers have shown that while PTVs rank very low on the list of priorities, they are also taken mostly for granted by the majority. It comes down to the fact that even though they are rarely used, the OPTION to have them is expected by most regular business travelers.

Airliners.net is not a particularly accurate demographic for any study, except maybe teenage acne remedies, so I wouldn't put too much weight in any consensus that forms here.

That said, PTVs are nice to have, but its not the end of the world if they aren't around either. And yes, I speak from the perspective of a pretty damn regular traveler. I'm lucky that I'm able to sleep on planes, so on a longhaul I can fill up at least 6-8 hrs with sleep and another 1-2 hrs on meals, leaving not much time to be bothered with PTVs. But I don't think they are a waste at all.
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RE: Couldn't Care Less About PTV's

Sun Nov 03, 2002 3:17 am

I think a large part of the travelers are price sensitive like me, so first I check the best deal and I book it, then if the best deal is with an airline with PTV's I'm happy two times: I save money and I enjoy a great IFE on a PTV's Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Couldn't Care Less About PTV's

Sun Nov 03, 2002 5:33 am

In all my flying, I have never had the experience of using a PTV, as when I do fly longhaul, its been on aircraft that are not equipped with them (ANZ LAX-SYD-LAX, CO EWR-BHX-EWR have been my longest flights), so I do speak with a neutral opinion here...a PTV would enable me to manage my time while flying far more efficiently...that way I dont have to worry about sleeping through movies that I want to see (on LAX-SYD I slept through the 1 movie I did want to see), and also having an airshow map on demand is something that would put me at ease, because I like to stay informed of the goings on in the flight, and on non PTV equipped long hauls the airshow map isnt show very often. Furthermore, a PTV would give a larger selection of IFE, since I generally find that the IFE on flights without PTV's rarely interests me, I feel like that may solve the problem...who knows, I dont know when I'll finally be able to experience this apparently controversial device so until then thats my thoughts...

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RE: Couldn't Care Less About PTV's

Sun Nov 03, 2002 5:58 am

Having flown both with ptv's and not ptv's, I am with Cedarjet. Part of the fun of flying is getting to see the landscape below and above you. There is nothing like seeing a sunset from 37,000 feet over the Atlantic Ocean, but you don't get to see it because some person wants to watch a movie that they could see at home. This is one reason why I don't love first and business class, you have to close the windows the whole time.

Being a youth, I tend to be against the ptv trend.

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RE: Couldn't Care Less About PTV's

Sun Nov 03, 2002 6:10 am

I'd rather have some more legroom than a flickering screen in front of my eyes at a distance that's too short and an angle that's too steep to be comfortable to watch.
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RE: Couldn't Care Less About PTV's

Sun Nov 03, 2002 6:52 am

Some very good answers, and I fit into most categories.

I love to look out of the window on the long haul flights, there is something awe inspiring about seeing snow capped mountains, or the lights of some remote arabian village, the Paris skyline, the vast openness of the Gobi desert.

But at the same time, I also value a PTV it can relieve the boredom of a 13 hour flight. Harry Potter was a godsend on a recent KLM flight from KUL-AMS, it helped me sleep which is quite a rarety!

I would read a book whilst I'm flying, but it often makes me ill so I prefer not to.

Given the choice between a PTV and a TV screen at the end of the isle, I'd go personal everytime.
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RE: Couldn't Care Less About PTV's

Sun Nov 03, 2002 8:58 am

I don't consider PTV's a neccesity as well but they are nice to have. On a long-haul, I like having the option of being able to use it. Although, I'll gladly trade PTV's for more legroom any day!
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RE: Couldn't Care Less About PTV's

Sun Nov 03, 2002 9:07 am

From a flight attendant perspective, the customers seem a little less fidgety when having something to do for 10 hours. Even if not PTV but just having a flight tracker on the wall. It just gives them something to do. On the Continental flights across the pond, if you look from the back galley, almost every kid on the flight ends up playing the games on the PTV for the whole flight. This makes life a lot easier when you don't have fidgety people trying to not show their frustration at being cooped up for 10 hours in a tin can going at 1100 kmh.

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RE: Couldn't Care Less About PTV's

Sun Nov 03, 2002 9:22 am

On the Continental flights across the pond, if you look from the back galley, almost every kid on the flight ends up playing the games on the PTV for the whole flight.

That reminds me of a classic line that a Continental VP came up with during a meeting once, when he referred to the PTVs as "our new electronic auto-babysitter system".  Smile
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