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Frontier Likely To Get DCA Slot Says Article

Sun Nov 03, 2002 1:22 am

Yesterday was a Denver Post article about how Frontier, Alaska, United, American, Delta, and US Airways have applied for the DCA slot which was freed up by National Airlines.

The article says the DOT among other politicians say they are favoring the Frontier bid since Frontier only has 1 flight a day to DCA, and it's offers low-fares, and provides good connections to the west from its Denver hub.

Here's the article:

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E33%257E962507,00.html?search=filter

It'll be interesting to find out who gets the slot.

I don't believe America West deserves this slot one bit, as they already have 3 flights to DCA.

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RE: Frontier Likely To Get DCA Slot Says Article

Sun Nov 03, 2002 3:15 am

I don't think that article mentions anything regarding to DOT/politicians favoring Frontier's case. It just mentions each airline's proposed routes. From what I have heard, US Airways is the frontrunner for this flight.
 
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RE: Frontier Likely To Get DCA Slot Says Article

Sun Nov 03, 2002 3:16 am

I agree that America West does not deserve the slot, but I do not think it should go to Frontier either.

IMO, I think the slot should go to USAirways for SFO service, though if it were up to me I would give it to AA for LAX-DCA just because I am biased.
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RE: Frontier Likely To Get DCA Slot Says Article

Sun Nov 03, 2002 3:23 am

DIA77,

Right here:

The seven carriers are enlisting political and worker support to gain the flight. United workers have begun a letter-writing campaign, and U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Littleton, on Thursday urged Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta to support Frontier's application.

According to Frontier and its supporters, the Denver-based carrier should get the flights because it doesn't have a major presence at Reagan National, Denver offers more connection options for travelers than competing West Coast cities, and the airline can offer low fares on the route.


MAH4546,

I don't think US Airways should get the slot at all. They can provide no connections at SFO whatsoever, so I don't think they deserve it.

If United was applying to fly from SFO, then definately United should get it. United would be able to provide connections to the Pacific.

Something US Airways cannot.

It would be good if AA gets the slot for the LAX flight, however United is bigger than AA in LAX. So United would make more sense.

Frontier makes sense because they can provide connections to several places out west.

My vote goes for Frontier from DEN or United from LAX.

Just my opinion.
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RE: Frontier Likely To Get DCA Slot Says Article

Sun Nov 03, 2002 3:27 am

Let me also remind everyone that the DOT has favored low-fare carriers when it comes to the out of the perimeter slots.

Thus why America West, Alaska Airlines, Frontier Airlines, and National Airlines have gotten out of the perimeter slots.

I think it's going to be hard for one of the major carriers to recieve the slots.

We all know if a major carrier got a hold of the slot, they'd charge crazy fares on the route which the DOT does not want.

I think it would be excelent if Delta gets the slot also, as they can provide connections through SLC. Another great Western gateway.

Even better than Frontier in DEN. However, Delta doesn't provide as low fares as Frontier which is the reason why Delta may not get it.

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RE: Frontier Likely To Get DCA Slot Says Article

Sun Nov 03, 2002 3:33 am

BA,

The support that is mentioned in the article comes from Colorado politicians and Frontier and its supporters. I don't think that implies anything (I'm sure Tancredo also supports DEN-NRT, DEN-CDG, DEN-XXX, and any other flight from DEN). I would hope that every Colorado politician would be supporting this flight. I personally think a LAX or SFO flight is justified.
 
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RE: Frontier Likely To Get DCA Slot Says Article

Sun Nov 03, 2002 3:38 am

I don't really buy the connection argument for a Delta, AA, or UA flight. If someone wants to fly from SJC to DCA, they wouldn't care if they had to stop in SLC or CVG. Either way they will have to stop in one city. However, the connection argument would be valid for low fare carriers. Frontier can filter people through DEN and offer them low fares. The majors already filter their passengers through their eastern hubs (doesn't make much difference where you change).
 
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RE: Frontier Likely To Get DCA Slot Says Article

Sun Nov 03, 2002 3:52 am

With the US/UA codeshare, there's not much difference between either carrier flying to SFO. I think US has the edge because of thier presence at DCA as well as their post-9/11 experience at DCA which seriously hurt them.

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ps. a quote from a CO politician supporting service to CO does nothing to bolster your argument, BA.
 
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RE: Frontier Likely To Get DCA Slot Says Article

Sun Nov 03, 2002 3:53 am

Don't forget if US gets the slot for their SFO flt, come next year they can provide many connections by way of UA. The code-share will go in effect by next spring and a US flt can go from DCA-SFO and allow those pax to connect to the UA flts at SFO that travel to many destinations. However this does not mean i think the slot should go to US.
 
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RE: Frontier Likely To Get DCA Slot Says Article

Sun Nov 03, 2002 5:46 am

>>Let me also remind everyone that the DOT has favored low-fare carriers when it comes to the out of the perimeter slots.<<

It FAVORS carriers with no Eastern hub and/or are struggling. The latter is why TWA got DCA-LAX.

Frontrunners: AS, F9, or US(SFO). US has a lot of political support, especially around the DC area.
 
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RE: Frontier Likely To Get DCA Slot Says Article

Sun Nov 03, 2002 7:09 am

DIA77,

True. However there are several policitians under Norman Mineta's administration who are favoring Frontier. I heard this on the news.

Also, don't forget that Frontier has been trying to get a 2nd slot since they started DCA service. So they've been fighting for the slot longer than US, UA, DL, HP, or AS.

Usairways85,

True, which is why US getting the slot would not be such a bad move. But I still would rather have UA get the slot to start up LAX service. LAX is a more major city in California obviously, plus offers connections to several places in the Pacific.

Lowfareair,

It FAVORS carriers with no Eastern hub and/or are struggling. The latter is why TWA got DCA-LAX.

That's true aswell. However, at the same time they are favoring low-fare carriers. Now that does not mean they have a rule that ONLY low-fare carriers may get a slot. TWA is a perfect example. I'm sure you've noticed, the other carriers that have gotten slots were low-fare carriers. National doesn't have much of a route network, yet they got the slot simply because they provide low-fares. Same goes for America West, Alaska, and Frontier.

If I were Norman Mineta, and it where my choice to choose what airline gets the slot.

I would give it to UA simply because it would provide DCA customers new options. They can could finally reach many parts of Asia simply by making a connection in LAX. Something that is currently not possible. Frontier already has a slot, and can already provide connections to the west.

However, if the DOT is giving out these out of the perimeter slots to provide consumers with better access in the Western US, I would give the slot to Frontier. The only other viable option would be DL from SLC or HP from LAS. HP already has 3 slots for 2 PHX flights and 1 LAS flights. That's plenty enough for one airline. DL has a great network from SLC, but does not provide low-fares and like I mentioned. The DOT is favoring low-fare carriers. This is why Frontier would make sense if the DOT wanted a carrier that could provide access to several Western markets.

If that's not the case, and wanted an entirely new market. Then obviously UA or AA from LAX, or US from SFO would make sense.

If that's the case, my pick would be United.

But as always, the one with the most political support always wins.
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RE: Frontier Likely To Get DCA Slot Says Article

Sun Nov 03, 2002 4:00 pm

I think the question to be asked rather than what airline is what airport should be served non-stop from DCA. With Denver already having one non-stop flight provided by Frontier other westcoast cities with large populations are left without non-stop service (Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Diego, Salt Lake City, Portland). For this reason I think Frontier/Denver will not get the additional slot. America West also already has one non-stop Las Vegas flight and is now proposing a second one out of there. I think its unlikely they will get also. That leaves US to SFO and AA/UA/AS to LAX. Initially the DOT selected non major airlines with little or no presence in DCA, but with the current economic climate and the financial situation of US/UA/AA, the DOT might overlook there dominance and might be more favorable this time.

I think that LAX will get the non-stop service, just because it already had it once when TW was awarded it. As for which airline I don't know.
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RE: Frontier Likely To Get DCA Slot Says Article

Sun Nov 03, 2002 6:49 pm

Don't forget both California Senators are form Northern California. Sen. Feinstein is a former Mayor of San Francisco. If you are talking about political support, that combined with US support in the DCA area, plus powerful congressional delegations from swing states such as Pennsylvania and North Carolina make US' application a formidable one to overcome. I predict US gets the slots.
 
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RE: Frontier Likely To Get DCA Slot Says Article

Sun Nov 03, 2002 11:45 pm

>>National doesn't have much of a route network, yet they got the slot simply because they provide low-fares. Same goes for America West, Alaska, and Frontier.<<

N7 was a struggling carrier, along with TW. F9 didn't have an Eastern hub, and HP was 18 months away from becoming a low-fare carrier when the original airlines were announced, but they were struggling.
 
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RE: Frontier Likely To Get DCA Slot Says Article

Mon Nov 04, 2002 12:01 pm

Don't forget that Mineta is the former mayor of San Jose. So a few brownie points will go to the Bay Area.
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