Joni
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Open Skies Agreements To Fold

Tue Nov 05, 2002 8:14 pm


The EU court has reportedly (my source is in Finnish) ruled that bilateral Open Skies agreements between EU members and the US are unlawful.

Does anyone know, what will be the repercussions to airline market shares from their replacement with a single EU-US agreement?

 
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RE: Open Skies Agreements To Fold

Tue Nov 05, 2002 8:28 pm

Fantastic news if it's true!

Great news!
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RickB
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RE: Open Skies Agreements To Fold

Tue Nov 05, 2002 8:30 pm

I can see a number of memer states appealing against that kind of decision if true - especially the UK.

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RE: Open Skies Agreements To Fold

Tue Nov 05, 2002 8:32 pm

It's true. The UK, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Belgium, Luxembourg, Austria and Germany broke European law

I have no time at the moment to actually rephrase articles, so here are the links.

http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1035873005619&p=1012571727085

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2403641.stm

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Billy
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RE: Open Skies Agreements To Fold

Tue Nov 05, 2002 8:32 pm

I think that they are saying that individually negotiated 'open skies' agreements are unlawful and that such agreements have to be undertaken by the EU and apply to all members.

It is also seen as a possibility of leveraging more concessions from the US for EU member states.
 
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RE: Open Skies Agreements To Fold

Tue Nov 05, 2002 8:36 pm


So what is the next step now the rulling has been made public?!
Will the Commission be in charge for negotiating, or if not who will be?!
 
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RE: Open Skies Agreements To Fold

Tue Nov 05, 2002 8:36 pm

Get ready for some fireworks...also very appropriate, since it's Guy Fawkes here in Britain!

The EU vs US comedy continues......
 
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RE: Open Skies Agreements To Fold

Tue Nov 05, 2002 8:40 pm

How about removing the likes of AF from state ownership?
 
RickB
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RE: Open Skies Agreements To Fold

Tue Nov 05, 2002 8:42 pm

Dunno - if you read the ruling it only really mentions that it has the authority to negotiate on behalf of intra-European flights - so anything outside of that still looks like its excluded.

Lots of legal loopholes in the ruling for the member states to take advantage of.

This is set to rumble on for sometime yet I feel !!

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RE: Open Skies Agreements To Fold

Wed Nov 06, 2002 8:07 am

http://www.forbes.com/newswire/2002/11/05/rtr778559.html

UK says EU court ruling won't stop U.S. air talks
Reuters, 11.05.02, 1:19 PM ET

Shame!

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RE: Open Skies Agreements To Fold

Wed Nov 06, 2002 9:13 am

I'm not in favour of the EU taking over open skies talks, why should Brussels decide who get's access to LHR?. Last time i checked, heathrow is in the UK, not belgium.

This is just another step towards a more integrated Europe, and eventually a european superstate.

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RE: Open Skies Agreements To Fold

Wed Nov 06, 2002 1:12 pm

It looks as if this will be a long lasting issue just as the Bermuda II negotiations have been...

"But diplomats said the ruling did not appear to ban bilateral deals and member states would not rush to hand over their power to the European Commission to strike such deals over U.S. and other international air traffic rights.

Britain also took the view the court ruling would allow EU states to continue to negotiate bilateral deals."



http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/021105/airlines_eu_4.html
 
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RE: Open Skies Agreements To Fold

Wed Nov 06, 2002 1:36 pm

I think that they are saying that individually negotiated 'open skies' agreements are unlawful

This is correct. The EU is working towards its own aviation policy. The US is aware of this and is attempting to get around the future policy by getting agreements in place with individual countries.