TP343
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Breaking NEWS: Egypt Air 767 May Have Crashed.

Sun Oct 31, 1999 7:31 pm

According to BBC World and CNN international news services, and Egypt Air 767 en-route from New York to Al Cairo lost radar signal moments after the take-off from Kennedy Int'l. The airports authorities said the plane was delayed due to bad weather two hours. The sign was lost about 2am local time off the New Yorker coast.

I'm following right now more news.

If it's tragically true, 31.10 will have two tragic and black marks: the TAM KK402 CGH-SDU crashed exactly three years ago, killing all 94 passengers plus 5 people inland.

If the news is confirmed, all my respectuos sentiments for those who sadly lost relatives/friends.

TP343, São Paulo, Brazil.
 
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RE: Breaking NEWS: Egypt Air 767 May Have Crashed.

Sun Oct 31, 1999 7:38 pm

Yes, I should have mentioned that on my own post - we shouldn't forget that this is a human tragedy. It must be a horrific feeling to hear, particularly in such a public forum as the news, that so terrible an event has happened and that friends or relative were on board.
 
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RE: Breaking NEWS: Egypt Air 767 May Have Crashed.

Sun Oct 31, 1999 7:52 pm

Black date and black place also: TW800 747 JFK - CDG, SR111 M11 JFK - Genève and now (still to confirm) Egypt Air 767 JFK - Al Cairo. All totally lost...

TP343, São Paulo, Brazil.
 
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Crash Unconfirmed

Sun Oct 31, 1999 8:10 pm

I really hope this is not another aircraft accident in the atlantic out of JFK. This could still be a communications problem. Lets still have hope. The plane could still be in the air. Even though the general public have a low opinion of Egypt Air they are indeed a safe airline, and this particular aircraft the 767 is quite safe. The plane could be hijacked, as recently occured with and Egypt air 737 in turkey, although it sounds macarbre at least it means the aircraft is in the air.

I really hope this is not another plane crash, that is all i can say
 
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RE: Crash Unconfirmed

Sun Oct 31, 1999 8:20 pm

I hope the aircraft is still in the air or the pilots could make an emergency landing on water.

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767 Is Safe

Sun Oct 31, 1999 8:26 pm

The 767-300 the aircraft involved in this Egypt air incident has a very very good safety history. The only major incident was with a 767 Lauda out of Bangkok when reverse thrusters deployed after takeoff, killing all on board. Another was when an Ethiopian ditched in the ocean of the comoros after fuel exhaustion aftern being hijacked, both were extra-ordinary accidents that resulted from circumstances unrelated to the airline. The mood i am getting already from many people, is that this has to do with egypt being a third world country, i think this is disgusting, egypt air is a perfectly safe airline!!!
 
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Transponder Problems?

Sun Oct 31, 1999 8:49 pm

I hope it's not a crash too!!

Why doesn't anyone suggest it may be a transponder problem? I mean it could be a possiblity. Lets hope it will not be a crash and if it is a crash, not loss of life.

The Boeing 767 is a very safe aircraft. The pilots reported there were bad weather and the plane had to be deplayedbecause of this. If this was an acident, could weather played a part (e.g BOAC 707 crash back int the 60s in Japan). Also, the 767 also had thrust reversar problems. Lauda Air 767-300 crashed near Bangkok back in the early 90s. Could this be the cause? lets cross our fingers and hope the passegners and crews of the Eygpt air 767 is safe and well...
 
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RE: Breaking NEWS: Egypt Air 767 May Have Crashed.

Sun Oct 31, 1999 9:00 pm

The article from CNN.com:

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Egypt Air 767 reported missing; U.S. Coast Guard searches waters off Massachusetts

October 31, 1999
Web posted at: 6:16 a.m. EST (1116 GMT)

NANTUCKET, Massachusetts (CNN) -- The U.S. Coast Guard has launched a massive search for a Boeing 767 passenger plane that disappeared from radar screens early Sunday off the coast of Massachusetts.

The Federal Aviation Administration lost contact with Egypt Air Flight 990 about 2:15 a.m. EST, about 60 miles (100 km) south/southeast of the island of Nantucket, Coast Guard officials said.

The plane took off from New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport en route to Cairo, Egypt.

Airline official confirmed that 197 passengers were on board the plane.

The plane was flying at 33,000 feet (9,900 meters), said Elliot Brenner, chief spokesman for the Federal Aviation Administration in Washington.

There was no indication of a distress call, officials said.

A Coast Guard jet and four vessels are searching the area.

"What we have right now is, we weren't able to establish contact," Coast Guard Lt. Rob Halsey said. "They had them on radar and then lost the radar picture."

An Egypt Air spokesman in New York declined comment and said the airline had "no information at all now."

According to airport officials in Cairo, the carrier said takeoff from JFK was delayed by two hours due to bad weather.

The National Weather Service said that at about the time the plane took off there was dense fog in the New York area.

The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.
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TP343, São Paulo, Brazil.
 
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RE: Aircraft Stopped On Way To JFK From LAX

Sun Oct 31, 1999 9:58 pm

I am watching CNN and apparently the aircraft stopped shortly after takeoff from LAX at an airforce base. The reason for the stop is unkown.

The aircraft might have stopped at the airforce base due to engine trouble or another mechanical fault. This could be the cause of the aircraft disappearing off the radar screens (It might have lost an engine/s and had to make a emergency landing in the water).

CNN also said that with ETOPS, the aircraft must have an airport around 1 hour away that it can land at if it does have an engine failure during the oceanic flight.


The WX at JFK was 3-4 miles of fog but that shouldn't have effected the flight status once the aircraft was 60nm out of JFK.

Down here in Australia it is night time so when I wake up in the morning I hope to hear some good news about the aircrafts status and not find out that it crashed.

Good Night,
Steven Kaplan
 
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RE: Breaking NEWS: Egypt Air 767 May Have Crashed.

Sun Oct 31, 1999 10:40 pm

I just heard on an Arabic TV station that the aircraft first took off from LAX but had to make an emergency landing at Edwards AFB because of some problem before continuing to JFK.
Hisham.
 
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RE: Aircraft Stopped On Way To JFK From LAX

Sun Oct 31, 1999 10:47 pm

Unfortunately, it appears that debris has now been found, which is obviously not a good sign. The USCG reports finding a "debris field" near where the aircraft went down.

As for the landing at Edwards, I didn't know about that, but could it be true? If it were an engine failure, the aircraft would still be stuck there are there wouldn't be a ready supply of 767 engines. The aircraft was delayed for 2 hours, but that seems to have been due to weather, which could have forced the inbound crew to hold until it was clear enough to land.
 
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Distress Call

Sun Oct 31, 1999 10:50 pm

The news just said that the pilots made a distress call a few seconds before the aircraft disapeared.
 
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FAA Says Edwards Strory Is Wrong

Sun Oct 31, 1999 10:59 pm

FAA says the airplane didn't go to Edwards. As Kaitak said, the Edwards story doesn't make sense. Whatever the problem is, it cannot be fixed so quickly at Edwards. Add that two consecutive problems are unlikely.
Hisham.
 
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RE: Breaking NEWS: Egypt Air 767 May Have Crashed.

Sun Oct 31, 1999 11:42 pm

It was a Boeing 767-300ER delivered to Egypt Air in 1989.

Anyone know the Reg Nr?

Freddy
 
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RE: Breaking NEWS: Egypt Air 767 May Have Crashed.

Sun Oct 31, 1999 11:50 pm

The airline has two 767-300s and unfortunately, both were delivered within a month of each other in Aug and Sep 89.
However, I will post the reg here, unless someone else does first, if I find out.
 
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RE: Breaking NEWS: Egypt Air 767 May Have Crashed.

Mon Nov 01, 1999 12:11 am

You beat me to it!

Egypt Air has only had 5 fatal accidents since the 70's.
The 767-300ER took off from LAX bound for JFK then on to Cairo. The suspected crash site is just off of Nantucket Island, Mass. The president of Egypt Air said that the aircraft had a good saftey record and an excellent maintinence record. This is indeed a sad time for aviation.
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RE: Registration Of The 767

Mon Nov 01, 1999 12:45 am

The airliner was delivered in september 1989 (CNN) so it must be the :

Boeing 767-366ER
SU-GAP "Thutmosis 3rd"

F10 C22 Y185
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All Aboard Feared Dead In EgyptAir Crash

Mon Nov 01, 1999 1:04 am

I've been watching the news, hoping that this crash would be unlike TWA 800 and Swissair 111. However, it seems all aboard have been killed in the crash of EgyptAir 990.

On the news, they've so far brought up the thrust reversers and the fuel tanks. No mention of terrorism or other mechanical failure. It has also been reported that there was no distress call, no indication of trouble. It appears the accident was sudden and catastrophic in nature, because the pilots didn't even have time to punch the buttons on the control columns to issue a mayday or anything.

In situations like this, we all hope for miracles...but it appears no one has survived. Peace and comfort to the friends and relatives of the 214 presumably lost.
 
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RE: Breaking NEWS: Egypt Air 767 May Have Crashed.

Mon Nov 01, 1999 1:09 am

Here we go again.......      
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RE: 767 Is Safe

Mon Nov 01, 1999 1:46 am

Yeah...CNN quoted the 767 as having 3 incidents in 6.5 million flights, which is extraordinary. However, they are focusing now on electrical wiring problems, as well as that good ole center fuel tank theory conjured up to explain TWA 800.

As for EgyptAir...what reporters are saying is that there have been maintenance problems and that the airline's accident rate is a bit higher than some. But not really that bad. I think it's a bunch of hype when they compare foreign airlines' safety records to those of U.S. airlines as being worse. It's also a lie.
 
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RE: Breaking NEWS: Egypt Air 767 May Have Crashed.

Mon Nov 01, 1999 2:00 am

From Channel News Asia Singapore:
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The EgyptAir Boeing 767 that went
missing early on Sunday off the east coast
exploded in flight, the US television
network Fox News reported, citing federal
officials.

Fox News said an FAA source indicated
radar screen data seemed to be
consistent with the breakup of the plane in
mid-air.

The FAA could not be reached for
comment on the report.

The aircraft, carrying 199 passengers and
a crew of 15, had taken off shortly after
0600 GMT and was airborne for between
20 and 40 minutes before disappearing
from radar screens, airport officials said.

The Coast Guard reported that a body had
been found in a debris field south of the
island of Nantucket.
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My deepest sympathy......
 
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RE: Possibility Of A Bomb Warning?

Mon Nov 01, 1999 2:12 am

It's being reported by ITN that carriers were advised of the possibility of a bomb warning about a month ago and that this was directed at both JFK and LAX. There are persistent reports of an explosion, although there are still reports of a distress call. However, the report also stresses that the authorities receive many warnings each month about possible terrorist activity.
 
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RE: Breaking NEWS: Egypt Air 767 May Have Crashed.

Mon Nov 01, 1999 2:57 am

I just heard from CNN that the threat that federal authorities recieved were from a person in prision, and dont feel that this threat was serious. Thats not to say that the person in prision could have someone take part in this tragedy. My thoughts are with all the families.

Regards

Brian
 
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Read Here Boeing Statement.

Mon Nov 01, 1999 3:48 am

Unfortunately the episode evoluated from miss to crash. It's sad to reproduce here this piece of official statement.

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Boeing statement on EgyptAir 767 Accident

Oct. 31, 1999 - The Boeing Company is preparing to send a team of experts to support investigating authorities looking into this morning's accident involving an EgyptAir 767. The Boeing team will provide technical data and expertise on the airplane involved to help learn the causes of this accident.
The airplane involved is a 767-300ER (Extended-Range) delivered to EgyptAir in September 1989. It had compiled a service record of more than 30,000 flight hours over the course of more than 6,900 flights.
The authorities leading the investigation will be the official source of information on the status of the inquiry as it progresses. Airplane safety investigations are conducted in accord with long-established protocols and can be lengthy. The investigators will be looking into every aspect of the history of this particular airplane and the specific model involved, which includes airworthiness directives and service bulletins.
All of us at Boeing extend our sympathies and condolences to the families and friends of those involved in this accident.

Source: http://www.boeing.com
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TP343, São Paulo, Brazil.
 
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Note For TP343

Mon Nov 01, 1999 4:57 am

Also...Let's not forget American Eagle 4184 that went down on 10-31-94. Another coiincidence
 
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The Pilot

Mon Nov 01, 1999 5:01 am

it is said that the Captain of 990 was a true veteran of commercial aviation - he had over 10,000 hours of experience! There must be something on the CVR that will lead them to a cause......

At least he died doing what he loved to do.....
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RE: Breaking NEWS: Egypt Air 767 May Have Crashed.

Mon Nov 01, 1999 5:08 am

Hi all- the 767 that crashed never ytouched down at Edwards or any other AFB. The plane arrived yesterday in EWR (Newark-where EWR was mistaken as Edwards) becuase of weather at JFK. The plane then departed EWR-LAX, i watched it take-off. It landed in LAX and left late, we dont know why. It arrived at JFK at 12:57EST this morning. It was on the ground for 1 hr 6 mins, but departed at 1:03 becuase of Deylight Savings time. It took off at 1:19 am and dissapeared at 2:00am. The debris is 65 miles south of Nantucket. The plane was ona similair route to SW111. What a horrible thing to happen! The plane fell at about 35000 ft per minute. thats extremely fast! in 24 seconds it had dropped from 33000 ft to about 20000 ft, then continued falling until it slammed into the ocean.  
Lord please be with everyone who was onboard that plane, and there families.
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The Media Coverage / Ac Photo

Mon Nov 01, 1999 5:28 am

It's incredible the way CNN is covering this tragedy. It has been an all day special edition and they are able to bring information on time.
Even without images of the location and without tons of information they sure know how to addict people to television screens.

Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Michael Carter


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Photos

Mon Nov 01, 1999 5:38 am

I am sure most of you are already aware, but Airliners.net has a couple of photos of the illfated aircraft (SU-GAP) at:
http://airliners.net/search/photo.search?keywords=SU-GAP

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Emergency Landing At ACK

Mon Nov 01, 1999 6:30 am

Could a 767 make an emergency landing at either ACK (Nantucket) or MVY (Martha's Vineyard)? Do both have the runway length to support the landing of a 767?

I know both are Class D and would have been closed at the time.

If they do have the runway length needed for a landing, I don't think that the question of whether they could take off again would be something to worry about during an emergency. If I were piloting an airliner and I had the option of landing at an airport with enough runway to land, but not enough to depart I would choose that one, if it was the closest.

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RE: Breaking NEWS: Egypt Air 767 May Have Crashed.

Mon Nov 01, 1999 6:40 am

Well I can't believe this has happened again. When I woke up this morning the first thing I heard on the radio was this tragic news. I pray the authorities find out the true reason for this terrible accident. Those poor people. Being an avid traveller, I can only imagine what they were feeling (if anything) during the decent. God Bless them All, and their families. RIP.
 
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RE: Breaking NEWS: Egypt Air 767 May Have Crashed.

Mon Nov 01, 1999 8:42 am

B707:

I was horrifired too when I had the news at 10:35 news last night AUS time.
It cae ust after days when Payne Stuwart died in a Learjet crash.

New NTSB investigation have stated that the 767 was plunging more than 20,000ft per minute. What may have cause the plunge will take a very lont time.
 
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Sincere Apology

Mon Nov 01, 1999 9:30 am

the title of my post earlier was unfortunate to say the least, i didn't realise this until later. The post was actually to do with the safety of the 767 in general not the egyptair plane. I am sorry if this has offended anyone. I wish the webmaster would remove it.
 
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Sincere Apology

Mon Nov 01, 1999 9:30 am

the title of my post earlier was unfortunate to say the least, i didn't realise this until later. The post was actually to do with the safety of the 767 in general not the egyptair plane. I am sorry if this has offended anyone. I wish the webmaster would remove it.
 
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Here's A Weird One For Ya...

Mon Nov 01, 1999 9:44 am

Egypt Air released to the press today a statement which basically said that the aircraft went from LAX to Edwards AFB California after a problem arose(?). From there, the plane went on to JFK, and then met its fate with the Atlantic. Egypt air confirmed that it was at Edwards.

What doesn't make sense to me is that the US Government denies any reports of the aircraft being at Edwards, or any airport other than LAX and JFK...

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RE: Breaking NEWS: Egypt Air 767 May Have Crashed.

Mon Nov 01, 1999 10:05 am

Just for anyone who cares, but for as long as the "rescue" is based in Boston it will be centred one block from my house. For Pilot1113, i suppose a 767-300 could land at either ACK or MYV, but only in an emergency. Anyways, I believe they'd have reported it very early on. Anyways, just a little FYI.

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EgyptAir 767 And Edward's AFB

Mon Nov 01, 1999 10:57 am

Hi-i dont want to argue about whether this plane was at edwards, but this morning on ABC the CEO said that the plane never landed in Edwards that EWR which is Newark was confised with Edwards air force base...but oh well...I wish they would give us one set of true facts that they know, and not try to comfort us with lies like they do with every plane crash. If this was terroristic (which i doubt!) i hope it didnt take the lives of these 218 peoplke to get the FAA to act upon our (the US's) security problems. Oh well...
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