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National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Thu Nov 07, 2002 8:39 am

I just saw this on a National Airline employee message board

http://www.nationalairlinespilots.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=test&action=display&num=94


The channel 5 news just reported that National with cease operations today, November 6, at 5:30 pm.

It has been my pleasure working with all of you. The best of luck to all!

Sincerely,

PM


Any truth to this? I'm waiting for the 4 o'clock news. I'll let you all know if I find anything else.
 
redngold
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Thu Nov 07, 2002 8:47 am

Sounds like a prank to me. Nothing of the sort on their website, only announcements for expansion and seasonal service.
http://www.nationalairlines.com/about/releaseindex.asp

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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Thu Nov 07, 2002 8:53 am

Probably.. National has been finished for a while.

 
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Thu Nov 07, 2002 8:59 am

Oh yeah, it's all over the news on Channel 8. An announcement is expect soon. Stay tuned.
 
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Thu Nov 07, 2002 9:01 am

National IS Shutting Down It's been confirmed according to the latest news.
 
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Thu Nov 07, 2002 9:01 am

This isn't particularly surprising. Sad for the employees, but this is more of a mercy killing at this point.
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Thu Nov 07, 2002 9:16 am

If so, then this will be the second airline that M. Conway has been running to have BIG troubles.
One often wonders WHY some investors insist on using these failures.
 
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Thu Nov 07, 2002 9:21 am

Sad, National was getting profitable too. National is the whole reason why I got into aviation and A.net. Here is a tribute to a horribly run airline with one the best employees in the industry. Always giving 110% on my flights with them.

See ya National. It's been great


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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Thu Nov 07, 2002 9:34 am

 Sad Sad Sad Sad.

There website says nothing of the kind. Although it might be because they are not updating right away until they officially go for Chapter 7 Liquidation. When and where was their last flight? can anyone in LAS confirm this?
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Thu Nov 07, 2002 9:46 am

It is true, confirmed by National employees at LAS HQ. They plan to finish today's sked. Sad day. :-(
 
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Thu Nov 07, 2002 9:56 am



Its OFFICIAL. Now on the website, NATIONAL AIRLINES SHUTS DOWN!!!
RIP National.
Best wishes to all of the employees and loyal patrons...
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Thu Nov 07, 2002 9:57 am

 
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Thu Nov 07, 2002 10:03 am

This really saddens me. I took many many pictures of National 757s when I visited LAS.

Those photographs are all I have to remember them.

Good luck to all the employees and there families.
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Thu Nov 07, 2002 10:32 am

This is awful news for National Airlines will be shut down for now. I am very sad news to hear for National Airlines, too. So Jetblue will be takeover for nonstop from JFK-LAS by effective Jan. 7, 2002. I think will be gone soon with the B757-200 aircraft and what is exactly will going do for right now into the routes. Well, catch ya later!!
 
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Thu Nov 07, 2002 10:42 am

for some f'd up reason, VC-10 deleted a thread I started that said "National Airlines Letter To Employees From CEO" was somehow a double thread??? although no one had posted the letter.. anyway......

November 6, 2002

To All Employees:
National To Cease Operations

It is with a very heavy heart that I inform you that National Airlines will cease operations this evening. We have exhausted every viable alternative in seeking additional financing that would have allowed National to successfully reorganize. Despite the Company's operational progress during our reorganization and a business plan that we believed would be successful in the new operating environment, potential investors and creditors willing to take on risk in today's airline environment could not be found.

This is, no doubt, as difficult a situation as many of you have ever faced. While I personally am having all of the same emotions you are feeling, it is my duty to also try and provide you with information that may help to answer some of your questions you have about what happens now.

Operations

The Company will not operate any flights out of Las Vegas after 4:30 p.m. Pacific today. Flights departing field stations will continue until such time as all aircraft have returned to Las Vegas, where they will be parked. Aircraft will be ferried back to Las Vegas, and we will make every attempt to contact flight crews so that they may get on the ferried flights. Employees who are pass traveling may also catch these ferried flights. Individuals from flight crews who miss the flights will need to work with Crew Scheduling and the Pass Bureau to make arrangements to return to Las Vegas.

Customers with tickets on National Airlines that were purchased with MasterCard or VISA credit cards may apply for a refund through their credit card company. Customers using other credit cards must inquire at their respective credit card companies about refunds. Customers holding tickets for future National Airlines' flights should be able to fly on other carriers based on those respective carriers' acceptance program as outlined by Section 145 of the Aviation and Transportation Security Act. Use of National Airlines tickets on other carriers may affect customers' refund requests with their respective credit card companies. Refunds for tickets from National Airlines will not be available.




Employment

Employees in the operation will continue their employment with National until the completion of their shift, or until the operation as it affects an employee's specific duties is completed, whichever is applicable first.

Most administrative employment will be discontinued effective Wednesday, November 6th. Employees will be notified via the Company's intranet site (thenationalnet.com) as to the days and times employees will be permitted to return and gather their personal effects.

A small staff will be required to continue to work in order to shut down the Company. This work will include such items as processing paychecks to all employees for all time worked, shutting down the various parts of the operation, contacting vendors and suppliers to cancel all contracts and obligations, etc.

To assist with future employment, the Company will also mail employment verification letters to all employees.

Paychecks

The Company has set aside funds for payroll in order to pay employees for time worked through today, including estimated overtime and incentive pay. Direct deposit will not be available for the final paychecks. All employees will be mailed their paychecks. All mailings will be sent to the last known address (check your most recent paycheck to verify your address). Unused vacation time will not be paid. All W-2s will be mailed to each employee's last known address.

Employee Benefits

All employee benefits will cease immediately. Medical insurance via COBRA is not an option due to the requirement that the Company be operating. All medical claims that have not already been paid for via the insurance will also not be covered. You can contact Great West Life & Annuity Health Plan (Plan #357512) at 1-800-338-4015 to verify the status of individual claims.

Your 401(k) account will remain open, and your money is accessible only by you - not the Company or the Trustee. Additional contact information for 401(k) participants will be posted at nationalairlines.com. The Flexible Benefits Account has been funded with year-to-date employee contributions for participating employees, and those funds remain accessible through the normal claims process.




Security Items

It is very important that all employees return both their National Airlines badge, airport badges, and uniforms. Return of these items is required under federal law and non-compliance will result in the Company having to notify the proper federal agencies. When and how these items (uniforms, work equipment such as laptops, company badges, airport badges, etc.) should be returned will be communicated to all through The National Net.

* * * * *

Most of us will now have to deal with a situation that we have never faced before. There will be many questions and situations that arise over the next few hours and days that will test us as professionals and individuals. I trust that each of you will conduct yourselves with the same professionalism that you have demonstrated throughout your time with National. I also urge all employees to work with each other to help everyone get through this very difficult time, whether it be with assisting a fellow employee dealing with customers or vendors, emotional support, or any other form. Please note that the Employee Assistance Program (EAP) remains available for a limited time. Employees may contact the EAP at 1-800-272-7255.

There is very little I can say that would be of comfort to anyone. I would, however, like to say that you have been the best group of employees I have ever had the pleasure of being associated. Airlines will come and go, but I will always believe that with the funding we were seeking, National Airlines had the opportunity to be the best. Unfortunately for all of us, things didn't work out that way.

I cannot begin to express my gratitude to everyone who believed in what we were trying to accomplish at National Airlines. Your efforts are what made our Company be recognized as one of the nation's top airlines in customer service. I sincerely hope that one day each of us will be able to reflect on our time with National knowing that we did our best under the circumstances.

Sincerely,



Michael J. Conway
Chairman of the Board
President and CEO


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RayChuang
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Thu Nov 07, 2002 10:47 am

By the way, please note that America West (HP) is trying to accommodate stranded N7 passengers to the best of their ability according to HP's own web site.

I am going to watch with great interest who will try to fill in the capacity loss due to N7's shutdown. HP has already taken the first steps to do this by accommodating former N7 passengers, and in my opinion expect an announcement from Southwest (WN) before the end of this week for schedule changes to increase capacity in and out of WN's LAS hub.

Of course, JetBlue (B6) will start the JFK-LAS-JFK flight effective January 7, 2003; one wonders will Delta (DL) try to increase capacity to LAS from the ATL, DFW and CVG hubs?
 
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Thu Nov 07, 2002 10:48 am

Man, what terrible news. It's as if no one saw it coming.

The Company will not operate any flights out of Las Vegas after 4:30 p.m. Pacific today. Flights departing field stations will continue until such time as all aircraft have returned to Las Vegas, where they will be parked.

Wow, I wonder how that last flight must have been like. I wonder how the pilots and F/A's informed the passengers of the news of it being their last flight as National employees.

So sad.  Crying

Its better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air than be in the air wishing you were on the ground. Fly safe!
 
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Thu Nov 07, 2002 10:53 am

I am really saddened about this! I rode them from MDW-LAS-MDW and this is the worst they did. I rode them and it was a nice airline, I even got to speak to the pilots after my flight and they were nice including the flight attendants. They had great service but they had to go so soon.


My sadness goes out to the employees and people who rode them.
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Thu Nov 07, 2002 10:55 am

Pretty bad news down is LAS. So sad to see another start up go....
R.I.P. N7.
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Thu Nov 07, 2002 10:58 am

watch the final flights here:

http://www.nationalairlines.com/flifo/index.asp

-n
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Thu Nov 07, 2002 11:19 am

http://www.nationalairlines.com/flifo/index.asp

For all of those lazy ones on the forum ::Yawns::
Puhdiddle
 
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Thu Nov 07, 2002 11:29 am

Its always sad to see a airline go under but N7 sould have dumped Conway a long time ago. The only thing he is good at is putting airlines into bankruptcy.
 
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Thu Nov 07, 2002 11:33 am

The link is dead...Looks like the last rev flt is ROK 17 JFK-LAS. Ship 512 is coming back from SFO as the first ferry flt.

joe
 
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Thu Nov 07, 2002 11:34 am

I have a feeling AA's MIA-LAS service will be inagurated a little earlier than plan, and probably with an extra frequency.
a.
 
redngold
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Thu Nov 07, 2002 12:14 pm

Awwww d*mn.

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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Thu Nov 07, 2002 12:52 pm

Aircraft are being ferried back to LAS at this evening.

N506NA - MIA-LAS
N508NA - JFK-LAS
N512NA - SFO-LAS
N522NA - EWR-LAS
N523NA - IAD-LAS
N542NA - ORD-LAS
N545NA - PHL-LAS
N549NA - DFW-LAS

Should be a good photo opportunity in the morning.
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Thu Nov 07, 2002 1:40 pm

If anyone wants to track them, some of the flight numbers are:

ROK8506 07 - 0041Z ACTIVE MIA LAS L/B752/E 0234
ROK8508 07 - 0044Z ACTIVE JFK LAS L/B752/E 0327
ROK8522 07 - 0047Z ACTIVE EWR LAS L/B752/E 0222
ROK8523 07 - 0051Z ACTIVE IAD LAS L/B752/E 0234
ROK8542 07 - 0056Z ACTIVE ORD LAS L/B752/E 0313
ROK8545 07 - 0059Z ACTIVE PHL LAS L/B752/E 0234
ROK8549 07 - 0107Z ACTIVE DFW LAS L/B752/E 0232
 
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Thu Nov 07, 2002 2:02 pm

Sad to see another airline go. I will miss National at MDW. i wish the best to the employees and hope they are able to find jobs.
 
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Thu Nov 07, 2002 3:11 pm

Will anyone pick up the 757's. I assume someone could get them for a steal at this point?
 
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Thu Nov 07, 2002 4:53 pm

Maybe ATA or AA can pickup those RR RB211 powered 757-200s.
 
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Thu Nov 07, 2002 4:58 pm

I don't think ATA will pick them up due to their age and the fact that they have too much capacity as it is right now.
 
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Thu Nov 07, 2002 6:06 pm

I have to go into work on Friday and turn in my badges, keys, and uniforms. It's been fun. Working for National was the most fun I've had in this industry. Thanks National!

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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2002 1:02 am


It's too bad to see them go. I flew them 2 months ago ORD-LAS in first class. Great flights. N7 was a very good airline, too bad Conway and his boys flew it into the ground. Another one bites the dust.

 
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2002 1:07 am

http://www.nationalairlines.com/index.asp

Yup... they are gone....  Sad

I liked seeing those planes on approach to JFK.
 
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2002 1:14 am

Sad, very sad. National was a great airline with great potential. I guess it just couldn't survive in this crappy economy. So long National, you will be missed. Sad

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Duncan
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2002 3:11 am

How about AWA picking up a couple of cheap 75's...... LAS is their second hub, they fly the RB211 757 with a very mixed, old fleet (Ex EAL 75's) and they're the most likely to fill the extra capacity.... makes sense to me....pick up some cheap lease deals right now I'm sure.

DD
 
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2002 3:26 am

I'm curious...do CEOs of bankrupt airlines usually emerge with millions like other businesses such as Enron? I wonder if Conway gets a Golden Parachute or if small airline CEOs don't have such generous terms of employment.

Too bad for the employees of the airline, my condolences to them and the inconvenienced passengers.
 
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2002 6:29 am

Went passed LAS at lunch - counted 16 National tails parked in various spots around the airport.

Four by the fire station (west of the C gates), one on the tarmac at the D gates, and the rest between the D gates and freight terminal.

I'll go by tomorrow with my telephoto lens and grab a few photos.
They're not going anywhere for awhile....

cbqfan

 
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2002 8:41 am

Duncan,

I wouldn't be surprised that a number of ex-N7 757-200's ends up in the HP fleet. After all, doesn't HP use LAS as an originating point for a number of redeye overnight flights?
 
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2002 10:01 am

I really liked them. Well here is my trip report from them.
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/15260/
"He was right, it is a screaming metal deathtrap!"-Cosmo (from the Fairly Oddparents)
 
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2002 10:46 am

National had been running some college football charters on the weekends, and was just wondering if we'll see any this weekend....
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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2002 6:37 pm

Vanguard airlines isn KC and now National airways, what's next?
This is getting seriously bad for the airlines and very sad. US airways seems to be in a bad shape either  Sad

Lamyl

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RE: National Airlines Possible Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2002 11:22 pm

Gee, and just the other day I mentioned my hope that N7 wasn't going under. They were one of the airlines that picked up the NJ pax when it went under (sniff!  Sad ).

Heard on the radio as I was driving home yesterday morning. What a shame.

Sorry to see you guys go. Hope you all do well and aren't unemployed as long as I was...

With prayers,
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