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solnabo
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UA To Go All A32X-single Aisle?

Sat Nov 09, 2002 4:41 am

It´s now nerly 150 single aisles 319/20´s
in UA´s fleet.....
737´s to go, or?

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RE: UA To Go All A32X-single Aisle?

Sat Nov 09, 2002 4:45 am

73s will still be around for at least a while. Also, don't froget that big 'ole bunch of 75s....
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RE: UA To Go All A32X-single Aisle?

Sat Nov 09, 2002 4:54 am

Yeah, I know about the 757, but
what puzzles me is that AA dont
have ANY (zero) 319/20.....
On the other hand they got Eastern´s
old A 300´s (or is it East. old fleet of 300´s?)
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RE: UA To Go All A32X-single Aisle?

Sat Nov 09, 2002 5:00 am

The A300 fleet of AA was ordered by AA and all 35 (now 34 left) only flew for AA and never Eastern. Eastern also never had the A300-600...

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RE: UA To Go All A32X-single Aisle?

Sat Nov 09, 2002 5:48 am

AA filled that category with 738s. I think AA bought their A300-600Rs brand new from Airbus. If UA (hopefully) weathers the current crisis, I think it will replace the 737s with A319s when their retirement rolls around.
 
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RE: UA To Go All A32X-single Aisle?

Sat Nov 09, 2002 6:01 am

United's long term plan is to retire the 737s in favor of A320s when they are old enough to go. The 737-300s may start in 5 years or so, since they entered service in 1988, 20 years is old enough for an airplane. The 737-500s are even newer, but the rumor is since there are only 50 of them, United may slate them for retirement if they have to cut fleet size any further.

The 767-200 fleet is getting rather old, those may go soon too.
 
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RE: UA To Go All A32X-single Aisle?

Sat Nov 09, 2002 6:04 am

I can see why UAL would do this, they will experience a huge cost saving by streamlining the single-aisle fleet into a single type in the long term.
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RE: UA To Go All A32X-single Aisle?

Sat Nov 09, 2002 6:05 am

United's long term plan is to retire the 737s in favor of A320s when they are old enough to go. The 737-300s may start in 5 years or so, since they entered service in 1988, 20 years is old enough for an airplane. The 737-500s are even newer, but the rumor is since there are only 50 of them, United may slate them for retirement if they have to cut fleet size any further.

The 767-200 fleet is getting rather old, those may go soon too.
 
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RE: UA To Go All A32X-single Aisle?

Sat Nov 09, 2002 8:26 am

I hate the fact that sooner or later United may retire the 737s in favor for airbus. The thing that bugs me the most is that the 767-200s may be on there way out as well. They are a fun airplane to fly on and a great plane all together. I also think its only a matter of time before United gets its first heavy airbus(pending on weather they pull through this or not).

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RE: UA To Go All A32X-single Aisle?

Sat Nov 09, 2002 8:27 am

I think United has other problems then to replace the 737's by A320's. With such large fleets as United has of each the A32X and the 737 it doesn't matter anymore that they have extra costs as the large fleets in itself create enough cost savings (it's said to be after about 50 frames of a type).

I can imagine that they will reduce the number of 737's in service rather than reducing numbers of Airbus's if the need arises but I can't see them doing the desaterous thing replacing B's with A's...

And if you look at the 727 which would have still be in service for United today if 9/11 wouldn't have been then I do give the 737's another few years.

After all I do hope that UA won't follow PanAm.

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RE: UA To Go All A32X-single Aisle?

Sat Nov 09, 2002 9:22 am

I am a loyal United customer who hopes to see them pull through their current situation. BUT as a U.S. taxpayer and someone who they are looking to for help in the form of government loans, if they go all bus, then playing with my patriotic strings end and they can go the way of Pan Am.

I highly doubt they will go all bus as Boeing is one of their biggest creditors.
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RE: UA To Go All A32X-single Aisle?

Sat Nov 09, 2002 9:41 am

CX747,

Have you ever considered that a great proportion of components and systems on board every Airbus aircraft is American? And that a great proportion of components and systems on board every Boeing aircraft is European?

Your patriotism, while admirable, kind of goes out the window.

Your concern as a "loyal customer" of United should be them pulling through the current crisis they find themselves in, and like it or not that means steamlining the single-aisle fleet to obtain the most economical long-term benefit, not being concerned about where final assembly of the airframes takes place.
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RE: UA To Go All A32X-single Aisle?

Sat Nov 09, 2002 9:46 am

You are correct, maybe patriotism has to be moved aside, then again Continental, Delta and American are going all Boeing. I understand the component arguement though. I just find it hard to see United crying it's eyes out while Continental, Delta and American all just battle on.
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RE: UA To Go All A32X-single Aisle?

Sat Nov 09, 2002 9:52 am

United is NOT going all-Airbus...they are way too in-love with the 757 and 777 to do that.
 
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RE: UA To Go All A32X-single Aisle?

Sat Nov 09, 2002 9:57 am

I think it is unfair to say that United is only in the position it is in now (relative to CO/DL/AA) simply because it flies Airbus aircraft. JetBlue does not seem to be in the same situation and they are 100% Airbus.

Poor management at one level or another is usually to blame for these kind of things (who said British Airways???).

I must say I prefer Boeing from a personal point of view, and dread the day my airline announces a big Airbus order (which is probable over the next 6 months). At the same time though whenever I have flown as a passenger on the A320 it flies like it's on rails...

That's a different discussion altogether though Big grin
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RE: UA To Go All A32X-single Aisle?

Sat Nov 09, 2002 10:01 am

Oh no, no, no, no no. They are not in trouble because of operating Airbus aircraft. That is NOT what I meant. I just feel that while other carriers have ordered from Boeing, United has gone to Airbus and now in a crunch want help from the U.S. and it's citizens.
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RE: UA To Go All A32X-single Aisle?

Sat Nov 09, 2002 10:14 am

I don't think Airbus receive unfair subsidy - low interest loans are the only way to finance massive cost, slow return projects like new jet transports. Compare the two product lines to see who is best at financing new types. (And in any case the proportion of an Airbus that is Made In The USA is 40% so there's not much to complain about in any case.)

THAT SAID, let's say Airbus DID receive masses of free money to stick it to Boeing, and sell planes below cost. Hey, if the Europeans want to give away planes to US carriers, then surely that will benefit the airlines' bottom line. What kind of United shareholder would criticise such a situation?
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RE: UA To Go All A32X-single Aisle?

Sat Nov 09, 2002 10:16 am

I agree with CX747, this Airbus thing really irritates me.
 
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RE: UA To Go All A32X-single Aisle?

Sat Nov 09, 2002 10:24 am

I disagree. You can't say you're not going to give assistance and aid to one major airline just because it didn't purchase a bunch of aircraft from a US manufacturer! That has nothing to do with the government.
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RE: UA To Go All A32X-single Aisle?

Sat Nov 09, 2002 10:47 am

I know I wont be flying United or Jetblue,I will stay with Delta,CO, AND Southwest!
 
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RE: UA To Go All A32X-single Aisle?

Sat Nov 09, 2002 10:52 am

If United doesnt pull out of its current crisis, it may be getting rid of both its 737s and A320s when they are liquidated.
 
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RE: UA To Go All A32X-single Aisle?

Sat Nov 09, 2002 11:04 am

For god's sake UAL-Fan and Thumper (and others), why does it matter if it's Airbus or Boeing? As I pointed out, an Airbus is 40% Made In The USA, which is probably about the same as anything "built" (should read: "assembled") in Seattle.
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RE: UA To Go All A32X-single Aisle?

Sat Nov 09, 2002 11:30 am

To illustrate my point, here is a story from a recent thread about Chinese-built MD80s:

"My comment on passengers not knowing they were flying a Chinese airliner is because I could just picture my grandfather getting worked up over it if he found out. I was flying with him when we got on an American Airlines Airbus A300. He says "what the h*ll is an Airbus!" when he took out the safety card. I told him it was European and he was quite upset that "American" Airlines didn't fly American airliners. He actually placed a call to complain afterward!

He was a WWII pilot and is quite "patriotic". He had a fit when I bought a Honda Accord until I proved to him it was almost 100% American made and that his Chrysler Cirrus was made in Mexico with a Japanese engine. So much for being patriotic."
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RE: UA To Go All A32X-single Aisle?

Sat Nov 09, 2002 2:14 pm

United was origionaly in favor of the 737-400 but sense they took over a large portion of Pan Am (which then operated an extential European network, because there werent large alliances then) So there fore there were a few European countries that basically said they would charge more fees if United didnt go along with the A320 family aircraft, so then UA said that they would keep there European network seperate from the US one (Operate airbuses there and 737s here) but then alliances came into play, so then UA no longer needed to operate inter european flights (with a hub, i beleive it was destant to be FRA) heavily because of its partneirs, so now the US has those original airbuses flying over here, and united ordered more and more of them, so now today the United Mainline US fleet is largely airbus single isle jets, and they are still coming!!! lol BTW if you check the photo database you should be able to see a neat part of history, pictures of UA 727s and DAL 727s operating schduled inter- european services thoroughout the many European airports.
 
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RE: UA To Go All A32X-single Aisle?

Sat Nov 09, 2002 2:30 pm

The 757 as an exception to United's plan for an all-airbus narrowbody fleet
shows the value of the type.

There is a reason Boeing's 757 and Airbus's A-300 remain in production even though the designs are not only old but not even updated all that much. It is because their is no real equivalent to either one in the competitors lineup. American keeps its A300 because Boeing can't match its cargo capacity. United and America West keep the 757 because Airbus can't give them that big of a narrowbody. A long narrowbody has some efficiency advantages when it comes to transporting allot of passengers with not as much cargo.

The 757 allows Boeing to keep a foothold in fleets that favor Airbus. The A300 does the same for the other side - giving Airbus a foothold in American's fleet.

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