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777's To SYD Nonstop

Mon Nov 01, 1999 6:50 am

Is the 777-200IGW (or ER...whichever you prefer) capable of flying from both SFO and LAX to SYD nonstop, both ways, without severe payload restrictions?

Thanks in advance,

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RE: 777's To SYD Nonstop

Mon Nov 01, 1999 7:23 am

I would think so since it has about the same range as the 744. China Southern flies nonstop LAX-CAN which is a similiar distance as LAX-SYD. I think they have payload penatlies on the westbound flight due to winds, but winds are usually less a factor to the South Pacific. I don't think American will start this route, but maybe Continental will give it a try? I think American will fly DFW-SYD when (if) they get 777-200X. United probably will fly ORD-SYD with the same plane. Just speculating.....The777Man
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RE: 777's To SYD Nonstop

Mon Nov 01, 1999 8:22 am

is the 777 etops for sydney to the north american west coast? I dont think that that is 207minutes
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RE: 777's To SYD Nonstop

Mon Nov 01, 1999 8:35 am

I know there was a jfk-syd nonstop with ual but they stoped it.
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Mon Nov 01, 1999 8:51 am


120 mins. ETOPS for LAX-SYD would do the trick, except for a small sliver of ocean between the US Mainland and the Hawaiian Islands. 180 mins. ETOPS is more than sufficient for the flight...that one really surprised me!


Maybe you're thinking of a direct flight from JFK to SYD via LAX or SFO. That is just a little too far for any plane to fly nonstop (even LAX-SYD is pushing it!)  .

Thanks for the replies, everyone.

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RE: 777's To SYD Nonstop

Mon Nov 01, 1999 10:44 am

As stated in another reply, I think the Etops rule does not currently allow a B777 or other two engined aeroplane from operating such long sectors? Although the B777 does have the capability to fly eastbound ie. ex Syd to Lax, as Boeing actually flew a UAL B777IGW non-stop from Syd to Sea after it had completed 'hot & high' trials in Alice Springs a few years ago, whilst it was undergoing certification trials. I think the aircraft maybe limited westbound from Lax (full payload) in the northern summer with the strong westerly winds in the southern hemisphere. A new B777X would & will do it easily. By the way from next month United start flying the longest air route in the world, Lax-Mel (12,762km) with a B747-400. It will displace Ord-Hkg (12,549km) as the worlds current longest non-stop service.
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Mon Nov 01, 1999 11:09 am

UA announced LAX-MEL first but QF jumped in soon after and is actually starting LAX-MEL today OCT 31 with flt 100 departing LAX at 2315 and eta MEL 0910 the 02 NOV...Flt 101 MEL-LAX starts 01NOV..

Flt times are listed as Flt 100 14:55 LAX-MEL
and Flt 101 14:10 MEL-LAX..

Mileage is 7915 miles or about 12,664 Kilometers..

FYI the Etops rule is not in effect for most of Pacific run..There are multiple islands for diversion well within 180 minutes...

Hey, DGS

Mon Nov 01, 1999 11:16 am

Are you by any chance the same DGS on the Hot Talk message board? I used to use this board all the time, then switched to Hot Talk, but came back here after I got fed up with the quality (lack of) of the posts on Hot Talk.

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RE: Fly UA Airways

Mon Nov 01, 1999 11:25 am

That is me...I post a little on here..HT'ers seem to need more flt specific info whereas this board seems more technical info crazy...I find the knowledge on both amazing..
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RE: Fly UA Airways

Mon Nov 01, 1999 11:44 am

Boeing's website notes that the 777-200IGW has longer legs than the 747-400. So if there is not any ETOPS issues, wouldn't the IGW be able to do LAX-MEL year round if the 747 can with full pax/cargo???

What is the other forum you are mentioning DGS????

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RE: 777's To SYD Nonstop

Mon Nov 01, 1999 2:23 pm

The first QF101 nonstop MEL LAX actually operated 31Oct.

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