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Safest Planes In The World

Mon Nov 11, 2002 3:29 pm

What is/are the safest airliners in the whole world ?
 
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Mon Nov 11, 2002 3:37 pm

Dash 8. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think anyone has been killed, or seriously hurt, on a Dash 8. And it's been hauling people around for nearly 20 years.
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Mon Nov 11, 2002 4:00 pm

Arrow, Dash 8s have had several fatal accidents; Ansett New Zealand, Bangkok Airways and Lufthansa Cityline have all unfortunately suffered Dash 8 hull losses resulting in fatalities.

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The safety of an airliner is not determined just by the manufacturer, but also by the operator and maintainer. Some aircraft are operated accident free by one operator but not by another, and lightning does strike twice (ie. TAM Fokker 100s).
It always seems to be tempting fate by naming 'safest airliner' or 'safest airline' titles.
 
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Mon Nov 11, 2002 4:07 pm

The 777 has never crashed, so with 0 fatalities, the currently safest airliner is this aircraft. Also, I don't know of very many 747-400's to crash with a fatality. Anyone know if there have been?
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Mon Nov 11, 2002 4:09 pm

QANTAS747-438, the SQ6 accident in Taipei involved a B747-412.
 
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Mon Nov 11, 2002 4:09 pm

Il-86, 20 years in service, one crash in Moscow.
 
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Mon Nov 11, 2002 4:35 pm

I hate statistics -
A person who stays home will never be killed by a car on the streets -
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Compare the early statistics of DC-10 and L-1011, both types were quite comparable, and looked bad for the DC-10...
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Bad airlines, bad pilots, bad airplanes...
I do not know where the answer is, look at statistics...
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I am a pilot with airplanes having 3 crewmembers - pilot, copilot, engineer, and with 4 engines... anything less than 3 crewmembers and 4 engines looks bad to me - but dont worry, I retire in 6 years... then everyone will be with only 2 pilots and 2 engines...
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I personally avoid what is called "commuter-express-connection" type planes.
In a few words anything smaller than 737, DC9 or A320...
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Mon Nov 11, 2002 4:37 pm

Oh yeah, I totally forgot about the SQ flight bound for LAX.
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Mon Nov 11, 2002 5:43 pm

Would also go for the Boeing 777 (200 and 300 Series) ...

But statistics doesn't say much ...
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Mon Nov 11, 2002 5:51 pm

The A340 has also never had a fatal accident. The only hull losses have been the AF 340 which caught fire on the ground (during MX??) and the Srilankan which was blown up by rebbels.
 
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Mon Nov 11, 2002 6:03 pm

AN-225, never crashed  Nuts
 
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Mon Nov 11, 2002 8:52 pm

Can't think of a 757 accident off the top of my head that was directly attributable to the aircraft, as opposed to external factors.
 
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Mon Nov 11, 2002 8:54 pm

Wasn't there an A340 prototype crash near Paris?
 
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Mon Nov 11, 2002 9:10 pm

DutchDeltaDude,

Wasn't there an A340 prototype crash near Paris?

No.
 
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Mon Nov 11, 2002 9:28 pm

I love it when people ask which aircraft/airline/whatever is safest. The fact of the matter is, you're safer in an airplane than you are alone in your house with the doors locked and the gas turned off and the burglar alarm on.

No one aircraft is safer than any other. There haven't been any fatalities with the 717, but that doesn't mean it's safer than the A318, the 735/6, or the F.100.

Were I to place my bet on safest aircraft? I wouldn't. There's no one right answer. If you consider the number of crashes, then I'm sure there are a couple of designs that have not crashed. If you're talking a ratio of passengers to crashes, then I'm sure the 777 is numero uno. If you're talking copies to number lost in peacetime, then we're talking DC-3, easily.

There's just no right answer.
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Mon Nov 11, 2002 9:29 pm

Wasn't there an A340 prototype crash near Paris?

Yes and No, F-GNIA burned out on 20.1.94 at CDG during taxi!

You allways have to compare the flying hours and accidents! For example the B737 had many accidents but it isn't a unsafe plane!
 
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Mon Nov 11, 2002 10:10 pm

QANTAS,
united had a 747-400 take off from I believe NRT and hit severe turbulence and it killed one girl onboard.


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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Mon Nov 11, 2002 10:23 pm

DutchDeltaDude: Maybe you're referring to the A320 that crashed into the woods?

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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Mon Nov 11, 2002 11:18 pm

AJ --

Thanks for that -- I was unaware of those Dash 8 crashes. I guess the best way to assess is on a miles-flown basis -- but it still produces a rather meaningless comparison.
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Tue Nov 12, 2002 1:32 am

Backfire,

In '96 a 757 from a turkish charter airline crashed shortly after take of from the Domenican Republic. All people onboard (German tourists) were killed.
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Tue Nov 12, 2002 2:03 am

DutchDeltaDude,
It was a A330 that crashed on a test flight due to a stall from which the crew failed to recover from.
 
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Tue Nov 12, 2002 2:03 am

DutchDeltaDude,
It was a A330 that crashed on a test flight due to a stall from which the crew failed to recover.

 
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Tue Nov 12, 2002 2:05 am

Whoops!
Sorry for the double.
 
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Tue Nov 12, 2002 2:32 am

The 777 has yet to have a single accident. Then again it is a very new aicraft.
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backfire
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Tue Nov 12, 2002 3:55 am

Manni,

I'm aware of the Dominican Republic accident, but the aircraft was not at fault. It was essentially a failure to check the aircraft was airworthy before departure.

The 757's pitot tube had been blocked while on the ground, and not cleared prior to take-off, which meant that it was unable to provide correct information to the crew -- the pilot responded to the information given, with the resulting loss of the aircraft.
 
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Tue Nov 12, 2002 4:01 am

The winner is, with no doubt:
The dassault Mercure. No more in use; No accident at all.

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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Tue Nov 12, 2002 4:48 am

I cannot believe no one mentioned the MD-88. No, this plane is not really an MD 80 because when the MD88 was certified, it was given a whole new certification different from the rest of the MD 80 family thus making it a totally new and different model. So far, only 2 people have been killed in an MD88 and that was when the engine on a Delta plane blew apart in Pensacola, FL sending debris through the rear cabin killing two people.
 
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Tue Nov 12, 2002 9:41 am

The A340 that burned out in Paris was parked for the night. It was ground crew that started the fire, just like the 747 they burned down !!
 
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Tue Nov 12, 2002 10:05 am

Fritzi,

I don't remember any fatal A330 crashes. I think you are referring to the A320 which crashed into the woods?

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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Tue Nov 12, 2002 10:09 am

An A330 (-300?) prototype was lost during a demonstration flight to Thai International at Toulouse.
 
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Tue Nov 12, 2002 11:40 am

hey let's look at it this way

Incidents/Accidents per X number of flights
 
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Tue Nov 12, 2002 12:20 pm

A330-321: F-WWKH (MSN 42) W/O 30JUN94 - TOULOUSE, FRANCE
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Tue Nov 12, 2002 12:40 pm

There is another factor which skews the stats in favor of the A-340 and 777 -
the vast majority of accidents happen during takeoff or landing.
A large number of takeoffs and landings also puts more stress on an airframe over time.

A-340's and 777 tend to fly very longhaul routes and don't do nearly as many takeoffs and landings as other planes do. Since there are fewer of them and they are larger than other planes - there are also more seats per takeoff/landing attempt. A Dash 8 would have to do dozens of takeoffs and landings to transport the same # of passengers the same distance as a 777. So it is only natural that both the 777 and A-340 appear safer than other planes.

This makes Southwest(WN's) record even more remarkable than it first appears. Southwest flies allot of short hauls with relatively small aircraft. Yet the airline has had only one hull loss. It resulted in no deaths and only a few serious injuries. I haven't done the math. However, given Southwest's # of takeoffs and landings - I bet one would expect them to have at least a couple large-scale fatal accidents by now.
 
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Tue Nov 12, 2002 3:50 pm

I would think.. A340 too.
Wasn't there an AA 757 accident sometime in the early 90's in South America?
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Tue Nov 12, 2002 7:15 pm

Even if I maitain my vote for the Mercure, I would like to point something.
After the analysis of the causes, you will discover that the vast majotity of the recent accidents is not due to the plane, but to the human factor (pilot or control or ground staff)
In the past, frames and engien were not as reliable as today. And certification was "easier".
Today, most of the technical failures don't end in a crash.
Here are a few examples were the plane is not at fault.
The Fine Air DC8 in MIA, Singapore Airline in Taiwan, AF A320 in Habsheim (the one in the trees), Fedex DC10 that had a fire on board, the SAS accident in Linate, or the most recent, the collision between a DHL 757 and a Tupolev near ZRH last summer.
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Wed Nov 13, 2002 1:52 am

cloudy,
you said the 777's do more long hauls and not so many take offs and landings, well how do you explain UNITED's 777's? We do DEN-ORD,LAX-DEN,IAD-DEN,IAD-ORD. I wouldn't consider those real long hauls.


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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Wed Nov 13, 2002 2:15 am

Ual777contrail - don't understand your reasoning at all. Are you seriously trying to suggest that the 777 does the same amount of cycles as an MD-88 or a Dash 8 or Fokker 100?

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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Wed Nov 13, 2002 2:24 am

Wasn't there an AA 757 accident sometime in the early 90's in South America?

December 20, 1995 near Cali, Columbia. The pilots messed up their navigation on descent and flew a perfectly functioning airplane into a mountain at night. As I recall, they responded to the GPWS by giving it full throttle and pulling up, but failed to retract the spoilers, and just missed clearing a ridge.
 
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Wed Nov 13, 2002 2:33 am

My votes go to,
SAAB 2000 (turbo-prop), no deaths so far and 63 made (2 write-offs), flying since 1994.
Boeing 777 (jet sub-sonic), no deaths so far and 377 made (no write-offs) flying since 1994.
Concorde (jet sonic), one fatal crash and 20 made (1 write-off), flying since
1969.
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Wed Nov 13, 2002 2:33 am

I think considering it has 20 years of operation behind it, the fact that the 757 has never been lost in a situation that people didn't lose it for them, it certainly ranks as one of the safest designs flying.
 
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Wed Nov 13, 2002 2:59 am

And oddly enough Heavy, it's big brother, 762/3/4 has things like uncommanded reverser deployment (in flight no less --Lauda--) happen.
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Wed Nov 13, 2002 3:50 am

The Lauda in-flight reversal incident was the result of an engine strike which was "repaired" without ever removing the engine from its pylon nor airframe. Very similar to the bane of AA191. To me, common sense would suggest that slamming an engine into the ground at 150mph+ and then attempting to fly with it soon-afterward wasnt exactly the safest protocol to follow.... NG had to find that out the hard way  Sad

As for the 767's alleged uncommanded rudder movements, as claimed by EgyptAir to refute claims of their pilot's suicided.... dunno much about any of that.
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Wed Nov 13, 2002 2:54 pm

Allesandro,

I would not call the Concord more safe than average... with only 20 made there is no real basis for a valid statistical comparison.

But lets say there was and use your own figures. 1 out of 20 is 5%. There are 377 B-777's. If the 777 had the fatal accident rate of the Concord 15-20 would have been lost with all hands. Not even the DC-10/MD-11 has suffered that badly, I believe, and they have been arround almost as long. Wouldn't be surprised to see the FAA pull the 777's type certificate with an accident rate like that. And that's exactly what happened to the Concorde.

Yet I'm sure the Concord gets the best pilots and the best maintanence its owners can give. This is because It is a high-visibility prestige plane that has already had one tragic accident. So I would get on one, but I wouldn't call it more safe than the rest of the civil air fleet. If anything, it is less safe.

As to the 777 and A-340 being long-haul, I was speaking of how most airlines use the planes most of the time. Even United's 777's are going to have allot fewer takeoffs and landings in a given ammount of time than its 737's , etc. Especially since even United uses them mostly for long-haul ocean-crossing service, I believe.
 
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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Wed Nov 13, 2002 3:12 pm

I know the 744 has never had a crash where it was a failure of the aircraft. For instance, many died in the SIA accident, but it was pilot error. Also there was a China 744 that crashed in bad weather but no one was killed.

It's been hauling people around since '88 so it's definitely one of the safest airliners.


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RE: Safest Planes In The World

Wed Nov 13, 2002 6:28 pm

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