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Airbus A340-500 First Delivery

Tue Nov 12, 2002 1:38 am

When will the first A340-500 be in service and what airline will get the first one? What route will they fly it on?

 
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RE: Airbus A340-500 First Delivery

Tue Nov 12, 2002 1:44 am

I´ve heard Air Canada, jan-feb-03
Dont know the route.

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RE: Airbus A340-500 First Delivery

Tue Nov 12, 2002 4:04 am

Maybe AC will fly YYZ-HKG, YYZ-NRT or YVR-HKG with the A345 first.
 
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RE: Airbus A340-500 First Delivery

Tue Nov 12, 2002 4:46 am

You think Air Canada could re-start flights to India this time non-stop from Canada with the A340-500?

Hopefully when the economy is back!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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RE: Airbus A340-500 First Delivery

Tue Nov 12, 2002 4:56 am

The first A340-500s are now due to enter revenue service with AC towards the end of Q1'03 and will be deployed on YYZ-HKG.
"The A340-300 may boast a long range, but the A340 is underpowered" -- Robert Milton, CEO - Air Canada
 
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RE: Airbus A340-500 First Delivery

Tue Nov 12, 2002 5:42 am

What i have heard that it will be arriving sometime mid march and ya revenue flights will start april.....maybe sooner

Grant

P.S. I am trying to get the GTAE guys ( www.torontoaviation.com ) on board from the first revenue flight from YUL - YYZ.
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RE: Airbus A340-500 First Delivery

Tue Nov 12, 2002 6:18 am

While AC ordered the 345 with the intent to commence YYZ-HKG nonstop, there is still no announcement of this route by AC even with the delated delivery of the 2 aircraft to Mar/Apr.

No doubt AC will route-prove the 345 for a couple of months on shorter routes. However, unless AC commences a very longhaul route with the 345 (whether YYZ-HKG or India), the 345 will simply be an expensive & unnecessary addition to the eclectic AC fleet.

I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
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RE: Airbus A340-500 First Delivery

Tue Nov 12, 2002 7:59 am

While AC ordered the 345 with the intent to commence YYZ-HKG nonstop, there is still no announcement of this route by AC even with the delated delivery of the 2 aircraft to Mar/Apr.

Care to check this document for proposed YYZ-HKG operations.
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RE: Airbus A340-500 First Delivery

Tue Nov 12, 2002 8:08 am

AC needs to settle Flight Attendant contract issues before they annouce this route. Apparently there are crew rest issues that have not been resolved.
 
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RE: Airbus A340-500 First Delivery

Tue Nov 12, 2002 8:25 am

Care to check this document for proposed YYZ-HKG operations.

Thanks. This is the 1st confirmation I've seen that AC plans 345 nonstop service YYZ-HKG in summer 03.

However, there are 2 problems:
1. This service is listed as daily. This CANNOT be handled by 2 345's. This woud require a minimum of 3 345's to operate daily YYZ-HKG vv service. However, AC only has 2 345's on order, both for Mar/Apr 03. So this new service can't be daily. Unless AC puts a 744 on the route part time.

2. AC is showing a new daily YVR-SYD nonstop for summer 03 also with the 345. This would also require 3 345's to operate daily.

Hence, AC would need 6 345's next summer to operate YYZ-HKG and YVR-SYD nonstop on a daily basis, yet they only have 2 on order. This proposed timetable cannot be implemented.....I guess that's why they call it a "draft" schedule.



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RE: Airbus A340-500 First Delivery

Tue Nov 12, 2002 9:44 am

Its nice that Hong Kong gets the first A345's but with a fleet of two it will be very boring for spotters !!
 
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RE: Airbus A340-500 First Delivery

Tue Nov 12, 2002 10:11 am

Hkgspotter!
So what´s funny to spot in HKG?? 744´s?
How long is this flight, YYZ-HKG??
Hmmmm.....couple of hours I´ll presume!!
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RE: Airbus A340-500 First Delivery

Tue Nov 12, 2002 10:19 am

YYZ-HKG can be handled by 2 aircraft. The rotation time is 33 hrs with a 2 hr groundtime in HKG plus 15 hrs overnight at YYZ.
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RE: Airbus A340-500 First Delivery

Tue Nov 12, 2002 10:35 am

YYZ-HKG can be handled by 2 aircraft. The rotation time is 33 hrs with a 2 hr groundtime in HKG plus 15 hrs overnight at YYZ.

Not without some backup aicraft for mx days.
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RE: Airbus A340-500 First Delivery

Tue Nov 12, 2002 10:52 am

The 345 can be backed up by 343s for emergencies and scheduled heavy m/x with a techstop in YXY or something. I believe the 343/345 have common/concurrent cockpit ratings, so no crew rotations will get screwed up. 15 hr overnights are more than sufficient for line maintenance work.

It's not perfect, but its workable.
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RE: Airbus A340-500 First Delivery

Tue Nov 12, 2002 1:15 pm

That's true Sean. It's still odd though that they would ID the 345 for both YYZ-HKG and YVR-SYD when 2 aircraft could barely handle just one route on a daily basis.

I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
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RE: Airbus A340-500 First Delivery

Tue Nov 12, 2002 1:28 pm

Neil - The purpose of this conference is primarily slot trading, so airlines prepare their wishlist and throw it into play. This year AC and KLM have proposed the most ambitious schedules. I believe that KLM proposed taking YVR to double daily with 767s, plus some major capacity increases in Asia (BKK to double daily, MNL to 14x weekly, etc...). Obviously they don't have the spare lift to fill all of these routes immediately, but its an indication of what they would like to do.

I'm pleased to see AC throw so much out on the table. My fellow Georgia Tech alumnus Robert Milton is doing something right, eh? Most of the US carriers, with the exception of Delta, have pretty much done nothing. US has changed nothing, AA wants JFK-FCO and JFK-BCN, UAL is doing nothing, NWAC wants KIX-ICN, CAL has EWR-GVA and thats pretty much it.
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RE: Airbus A340-500 First Delivery

Wed Nov 13, 2002 4:10 am

B747-437B

Do you have a link to the proposed KLM schedules as well? I don't understand how to navigate through the IATA schedules site.

Thanks in advance!
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RE: Airbus A340-500 First Delivery

Wed Nov 13, 2002 4:30 am

"The A340-300 may boast a long range, but the A340 is underpowered" -- Robert Milton, CEO - Air Canada
 
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RE: Airbus A340-500 First Delivery

Wed Nov 13, 2002 5:16 am

Most recent edition of wings, has the V.P of Flight Ops at Air Canada quoted as saying the -600's are still comming next year...
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RE: Airbus A340-500 First Delivery

Wed Nov 13, 2002 8:27 am

Wings NEVER has on-time info/news! It's usually dated as soon as it hits the press.

AC has definitely deferred its 3 346's until spring 2004....I've read it from several sources.

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RE: Airbus A340-500 First Delivery

Thu Nov 14, 2002 2:15 am

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Thanks for the link. I've got the navigation now figured out.
Indeed, it's highly unlikley for KLM to go to double daily on AMS-YVR.

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