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£65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Tue Nov 12, 2002 5:05 pm

Reading the paper this morning i came across an article that mentioned a new american based airline which will offer standard one way transatantic fares of £100, and 30% of seats for £65. They will also auction 20-30 seats a couple hours before departure online.
The airline will operate from london stansted (i think) to florida. The livery will be the colours of an american school bus, black and yellow!
The airline will operate 2 294 (i think) seat aircraft.
It will be a no-frills airline, keeping costs down by selling tickets online!

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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Tue Nov 12, 2002 5:07 pm

not gonna work .
 
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Tue Nov 12, 2002 5:13 pm

I dont have any more information, but if someone can find any info on it, maybe that would verify it a little.
i read it in a local newspaper, called metro! I dont have it to hand, but im sure it will be at work tonight, for the exact details.
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Tue Nov 12, 2002 5:29 pm

Aha. I read this this morning on the way home as well. To be truthful, I'm a little wary of flying with said company if it ever gets off the ground ... call me a stickler, but I like what is tried and trusted and who I have my frequent flyer miles with - Virgin Atlantic, UAL and British Airways.

How would this make a profit? You have to pay the employees, maintenance of the aircraft, the fuel, the food (you can't make people starve for 6 hours or more) and lots of other costs ... what on earth would the company make after selling seats for this price? Strikes me as madness, but perhaps someone will be able to offer a far more informed perspective on the issue than I can.
 
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Tue Nov 12, 2002 6:02 pm

Apparently they will start with a service from Luton-Sanford-Portsmouth NH-Luton and Luton-Portsmouth-Sanford-Luton. The aircraft will be 2 767-300ERs. Food will be a cold service, with a "kiosk" for people to buy items.

The tie-in with Luton is to join up with easyJets low cost service around Europe, and Protsmouth is aimed at the possibility of joining up with Pan Am or Jet Blue.

They have already been advertising on the internet somewhere, and plan to operate under the name "Sky-Bus", however, a search on Google for that name has not come up with anything, nor anything on the Luton Airport site.
 
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Tue Nov 12, 2002 6:55 pm

Their website is http://www.sky-bus.com. Of particular note should be this item from their business model:

SKY-BUS EXPANDED OPERATIONS

Within 3 years $250MM sales US carrier to European and Asian destinations with all next generation Boeing 767-500 ER fleet. Linking Virgin Airlines (Australia), China National, EasyJet with JetBlue and Pan Am domestic USA networks.


Anyone know when the 767-500 was launched?

David
 
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Tue Nov 12, 2002 7:02 pm

Luton doesn't have the longest runway in the world ... not sure if Florida flights can leave there. No doubt someone can correct me if necessary.
Stansted would make more sense for low-cost tie-ins as well. Easyjet (Go) is there as well as the others.
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Tue Nov 12, 2002 7:16 pm

Why travel with them when you can get cheap returns with the current scheduled airlines today? £65 one-way would translate to £130 return - thats about £15 cheaper than some of the fares offered by many carriers today (KLM for example). Add the taxes and the savings are minimal. At least on KLM I would get FD points and service on-board.

Auctioning the tickets 2-3 hours before departure sounds absolutely ludicrious. Who makes a decision to spontaneously fly to Sanford or indeed Portsmouth and be on-line at the time. Imagine the rush to pack afterwards (once you were successful in obtaining the tickets) and the traffic to get to Luton.
 
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Tue Nov 12, 2002 7:58 pm

Ya, I was going to say the same: 65 GBP o/w plus tax translates as 170 GBP/250 EUR/USD rtn including taxes. And that´s the level one can get today with a little effort.

Daniel Smile
 
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Tue Nov 12, 2002 8:04 pm

From reading the site, it looks like the auction will take place at the airport and will be based on seat/row number. It is available to hand-baggage passengers only.

Also, have you seen this:

2 groups of 6 seats adaptable to seat 8 children 14 & Under

Lutons runway is 2160 metres, and currently can handle 763s operated by Britannia.

Lastly:


Looks like its been lifted from the boeing site, and clearly says 767-400!!!
 
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Tue Nov 12, 2002 8:08 pm

It's a hoax/virtual airline.
 
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Tue Nov 12, 2002 8:21 pm

Please, guys, press the "Ready for some fun?" link at the bottom of the site home page and try your own conclusions...

T_a


P.S.: could it be a A.net member who established this airline?  Smile
 
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Tue Nov 12, 2002 9:24 pm

Mmmm. Could be my imagintion, but take a look at the seating plan on the sky-bus website and then take a look at the plan for a US Airways 767-200ER at http://www.usairways.com/about/aircraft/767/index.htm.

Notice any similarity?

This whole thing does seem rather bizzare, but I too have read about it in the papers this morning.

cheers, Phil.

 
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Tue Nov 12, 2002 9:25 pm

 
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Tue Nov 12, 2002 9:38 pm

It's not April 1st already is it? The website looks like it's been designed by a pre-school child with an interest in airlines!
 
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Tue Nov 12, 2002 9:54 pm

Here is some information from the whois domain owner search for sky-bus.com:

Registrant Contact:
Noah Systems Limited
Jonathan Aslett (domains@noahsystems.fsbusiness.co.uk)
01524 388312
FAX: 01524 581309
33 Austwick Road
Lancaster, LA1 2QY
GB

Administrative Contact:
Noah Systems Limited
Jonathan Aslett (domains@noahsystems.fsbusiness.co.uk)
01524 388312
FAX: 01524 581309
33 Austwick Road
Lancaster, LA1 2QY
GB

Maybe someone here wants to inquire further - I would be very interesting in the results!  Smile


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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Tue Nov 12, 2002 10:46 pm

This has also been detailed in the trade press, Travel Weekly and TTG, so if it is a hoax, then it is a very elaborate one. I agree that the website is very poor at the moment, but unitl they get the proper funding, that is as much as it will strech to I reckon.
 
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Tue Nov 12, 2002 11:57 pm

Oh dear,

This director of SkyBus (Jonathan Aslett) is not all he appears. Do you think this explains the photo mentioned earlier.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1515539.stm

You heard it first from ol' Backfire  Big grin

 
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Wed Nov 13, 2002 12:25 am

How would this make a profit? You have to pay the employees, maintenance of the aircraft, the fuel, and lots of other costs

Well, maybe they are like Nationscare from Canada, and won't pay their employees, wont maintain their planes and will just fly them until they drop.

the food (you can't make people starve for 6 hours or more)

Oh, they might do just that, food is not mandatory, they can leave that up the passengers to bring their own.

Jeremy
 
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Wed Nov 13, 2002 12:33 am

Folks, just check the website - if this is for real, I am Santa Claus.
 
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Wed Nov 13, 2002 12:34 am

You're not listening, guys and gals. Click the link three posts above this one.
 
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Wed Nov 13, 2002 12:38 am

Southwest has no food on BWI-LAX nonstop, which is pretty long, only an hour or two shorter than a pond hop...

That pic with the kids on the bus...this guy is definitely a little itsy-bitsy disturbed...

Backfire...ROFLMAO!

This has to be a hoax...bring your own radio? Turning that on in a plane probably violates half a dozen FCC rules, the FAA would never allow a carrier with rules like that to fly in the US...

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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Wed Nov 13, 2002 12:41 am

The other thing that bothers me about this, is that their press release and webpage is full of spelling mistakes, not exactly professional

Jeremy
 
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Wed Nov 13, 2002 12:47 am

Once flew BA to JFK for 85 quid each way (2 years ago), and there have been flights to the USA for 99 quid (total), although this was just after 9/11.

Rgds
 
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Wed Nov 13, 2002 2:52 am

If this is the same guy, I hope they bring him here (US) and toss his @$$ in jail. After all, no one in the US who works for an airline can be convicted of that. That would negate him being Pres & CEO. Even as owner.

I hope this is a hoax.
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Wed Nov 13, 2002 3:26 am

Portsmouth New Hampshire! BWHAHAHAHH GOOD ONE!!!!!!!!!!!

Im going to start Topeka-Frankfurt Big grin
 
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Wed Nov 13, 2002 3:26 am

I searched hoovers (business search service) and there was no record of sky-bus or Noah Systems Ltd. It's possible the company hasn't yet filed for legal status but judging on the pathetic nature of the site, this must be a hoax. The business plan is extremely generic and covers way too little of the necessary airline operations for a reputable start-up.

 
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Wed Nov 13, 2002 3:53 am





I can assure you that the guy on the BBC article and the fellow behind the "airline" are one and the same person.
 
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Wed Nov 13, 2002 6:50 am

4 Lavs for 300 people, the lines are going to horrible.

Mike-BOS
 
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Wed Nov 13, 2002 7:31 am

294 seats in a 767-300? No thanks! I'll stick to BA,UA and Co.

In Arsene we trust!!
 
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Wed Nov 13, 2002 7:41 am

that site looks like joe blow 9 year old put it up. it doesnt look official at all
Go big or go home
 
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Wed Nov 13, 2002 7:50 am

Do they even have seats or do you have to sit on the floor?
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Wed Nov 13, 2002 8:00 am

Maybe another ryanair in the making Big grin
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Wed Nov 13, 2002 8:08 am

...the difference being Ryanair has massive profits to show...this airline hasn't even got off the ground yet!
 
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Wed Nov 13, 2002 8:17 am

Did April fools come early this year? I think its a huge joke, joke or no joke, I am not sure this airline will get off the ground, much less likely to make a profit.

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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Wed Nov 13, 2002 8:20 am

Since when is Pan Am "flourishing" and jetBlue fly to Portsmouth??
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Thu Nov 14, 2002 1:02 am

I heard about this company on www.climbto350.com
Postings for lots of jobs - Director Maintenance etc under Jobs Board- Is this for real??
 
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Thu Nov 14, 2002 1:13 am

It may be a hoax, but it's been seriously reported in the press.
 
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Thu Nov 14, 2002 2:12 am

I suspect that's because the press didn't read the BBC story...
 
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Thu Nov 14, 2002 2:31 am

Backfire, its quite strange that it was reported on BBC Radio so they all have the same information. I dont think its a hoax but an unreallistic venture
 
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Thu Nov 14, 2002 3:19 am

Agreed, it does sound reasonbly convincing (the plan was to use ex-SAS 767 but they're PW powered and it's too much effort to put them on the UK register -- the supposed aim now is to get an N-registered CF6 aircraft).

But I've yet to be swayed. The website is amateurish (especially for a company claiming that it deals with computer systems) and I'm not happy about the slightly seedy revelation that's come out since.
 
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Thu Nov 14, 2002 3:26 am

hoax or not i'ts definely giving myself some good laughs, look at their job posting.i mean i don't know on what to believe now............... Smile

November 4, 2002
SKY-BUS INT'L LIMITED (Airline Flight Operations Manager - UK)
33 Austwick Rd., Lancaster LA1 2QY England
Tel: +44 (0)1524 388312
Fax: +44 (0)1524 581309
Email: jobs@sky-bus.net
Web Site: http://www.sky-bus.com
SKY-BUS is a startup UK International Airline. We plan to fly leased B767-300ER. aircraft from London (Luton) to various destinations in North America starting early 2003. SKY-BUS will offer low-frills consistent low-cost one-class scheduled service with high standards of customer service. SKY-BUS will use its E-Ticket system where most seats will be sold via the Internet. For more information visit www.sky-bus.com. SKY-BUS seeks an experienced Airline Flight Operations Manager (AFOM) to guide startup and ongoing operation of our services. The AFOM must be experienced with the CAA processes for initial grant and subsequent renewal of the Air Operators Certificate. Experience with contracted out ground handling and aircraft maintenance is required. Experience with short term use of contract flight and cabin crews is desired. Applicants will need to demonstrate at least 3 successful years experience as an AFOM with a scheduled passenger airline. SKY-BUS offers an initial part-time contract with transition to full time around March 2003. This is a key appointment to the success of SKY-BUS which is reflected in the excellent benefits package. Applications are specifically invited from senior experienced Airline Flight Operations Managers who are looking at 1, 2 or 3 years in this role before transition to another executive role with SKY-BUS. Location: Luton Airport. When applying, ref: climbto350.com. APPICANTS MUST HAVE THE RIGHT TO LIVE AND WORK IN THE UK


 
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Thu Nov 14, 2002 4:04 am

Someone should apply just for the hell of it and see what happens...there must be a way to get more solid info on this...disgrace of an airline...

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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Thu Nov 14, 2002 4:35 am

Backfire, your story regarding Jonathan Aslett is reported in tonights Evening Standard, quite interesting how it said that IT had traced the man to a place in Lancashire, or are you really a journo?  Big grin
 
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Thu Nov 14, 2002 8:52 am

Agreed, it does sound reasonbly convincing (the plan was to use ex-SAS 767 but they're PW powered and it's too much effort to put them on the UK register -- the supposed aim now is to get an N-registered CF6 aircraft).

Why is it hard to register a Pratt in the UK?
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Sat Nov 16, 2002 3:41 am

guys take a look at this found on an airline news forum

SKY-BUS INTL, UK plans July 1 startup of Luton-Portsmouth, NH (-Orlando in Aug.) with leased 767-300ER (TBA).


it will be very funny if the airline it's actually real and not a hoax as we think
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backfire
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Sat Nov 16, 2002 4:04 am

I've never suggested it was a hoax...I suspect there's at least an idea, but I'm not convinced it's going to go far.
 
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Sat Nov 16, 2002 4:28 am

This has to be a hoax, or at the very least, a way to scam some folks out of some cash. Nobody, even the big boys could make such a cheap fare concept work on Transatlantic flights. If this is a real airline, then the guy behind it must be purposely doing it in order to write the massive losses he will incur off on his taxes.
 
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RE: £65 Transatlantic One Way- New No Frills Airline!

Sat Nov 16, 2002 7:46 am

I've worked for 1 start up and 1 carrier going through Part 135 transition, and I can tell you, working on their website and with the lawyers, officers of the company, etc, you DO NOT POST the info this company has.

Sky Bus is a "dream airline" and may not materialize.

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