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764 Commonality?

Wed Nov 13, 2002 4:14 am

From what I've read on a post here.... the 764 (unlike its two sister ships) does not share cockpit commonality with the 757... is this an accurate claim? Can anyone provide a source to verify/refute that? Thanks in advance!
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RE: 764 Commonality?

Wed Nov 13, 2002 10:00 am

Just look at the cockpits and you will see very little similarity in them, if any.

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Actually, the 767-400 cockpit is very similar to that of the 777, but dont have the same type ratings.

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RE: 764 Commonality?

Wed Nov 13, 2002 10:16 am

The 764 shares the same type rating with the other members of the family (B752, 753, 762 and 763). However, extensive differences training is necessary to be able to fly them on a regular basis.
 
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RE: 764 Commonality?

Wed Nov 13, 2002 10:16 am

Actually at CO, the 767-200's and the 767-400's have the same glass cockpit. So in that case they do have commonality.

 
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RE: 764 Commonality?

Wed Nov 13, 2002 10:16 am

Apparently, just like with the 737NG, you can switch between two commonality "modes".

You can select a display similar to 767-200s or -300s, or select a display similar to the 777.

In the 737NG, you can pick a 737 Classic display mode, or a 777 mode.

I wonder how all that works in reality...?

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RE: 764 Commonality?

Wed Nov 13, 2002 10:18 am

The B767-400 DOES share commonality with the B767-200/300 and the B757-200/300. The B767 flightdeck while it has the 6 LCD displays similar to those on the B777, the B767-400 still "acts" like a B767 series aircraft. From a maintenance standpoint, it is a bit of a mutt - but it's not a B777.

But to answer your question, the B757/B767 share the same type ratings. The B767-400 doesn't share the same type rating as the B777
 
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RE: 764 Commonality?

Wed Nov 13, 2002 10:20 am

Do the Continental B767-200s have the -400 style cockpit? I thought the changes were in the cabin.
 
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RE: 764 Commonality?

Wed Nov 13, 2002 10:24 am

The changes are simply in the cabin. The CO 762s and 764s have different cockpits. The 762 is very similar to the 757. The 764 is very similar to 777. I jumpseated on both of them from IAH-LAX-HNL-IAH last year. Flew with the same pilot for all 3. It was an interesting contrast between the -200 and -400, in the cockpit, the size and the performance.
 
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RE: 764 Commonality?

Wed Nov 13, 2002 10:24 am

No - Continental B767-200s do not have the B767-400 flightdeck. They are 2 different airplanes up front. But system-wise, it is still a B767.
It's just the displays that have changed as far as the flightcrew interface is concerned.
 
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RE: 764 Commonality?

Wed Nov 13, 2002 10:25 am

The Continental 762 DOES have the 757-200 Layout. The 767-400 has the 777 style Layout.
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RE: 764 Commonality?

Wed Nov 13, 2002 10:30 am

BR,

No the 767-200's have the new 767-400 cockpit. I've flown it myself.
 
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RE: 764 Commonality?

Wed Nov 13, 2002 10:40 am

Two no's and a yes! Any Continental pilot's out there? I would have thought that fitting a -400 flightdeck to a -200 would have been a little costly certification wise for a single airline's order.
 
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RE: 764 Commonality?

Wed Nov 13, 2002 10:46 am

Airzim-

Are you SURE they have the same cockpit?

Are you SURE you are a Continental pilot?

I have my doubts about both.
 
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RE: 764 Commonality?

Wed Nov 13, 2002 11:25 am

The 757/767 is one type rating. In the case of CO, the 752/753/762 cockpits are virtually identical. The primary differences between them are a slightly rearranged aft aisle stand and different maintenance panels on the aft sidewalls.

The 764 is as previously described. Not exactly like a 777, but close. If anyone has any doubts check out Section 6 of the CAL 757/767 AFM.
 
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RE: 764 Commonality?

Wed Nov 13, 2002 11:39 am

I was on Ship 159 (762). It had the B757 style cockpit.

I was also on Ships 051 and 055, the had the 777 Style cockpit.

I'm afraid airzim, I must disagree with you. I'm sure many 756 pilots at CAL as well as my former boss will also disagree with you.
 
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RE: 764 Commonality?

Wed Nov 13, 2002 11:45 am

Airzim - Listen very carefully...
You DID NOT fly in a Continental Airlines B767-200 that had the same flightdeck as the Continental B767-400.

The B767-200 DOES NOT resemble the B767-400 or the B777 in the flightdeck as far as the displays are concerned.

The B767-200 resembles the B757. There is an Electronic ADI and Electronic HSI on both sides with 2 EICAS displays on top of each otehr in the center. The B767-400 has 6 displays str8 across like the B777
 
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RE: 764 Commonality?

Wed Nov 13, 2002 2:22 pm

Airzim!

I am a Continental pilot on the 757/767 fleet and I fly all versions of the aircraft. The 757/200/300 and 767-200 have exactly the same cockpit display layout, ONLY the 767-400 has the 777 style six LCD display.
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RE: 764 Commonality?

Wed Nov 13, 2002 3:13 pm

So how much effort would it take for Boeing to offer the new cockpit on the old planes?

I mean, the first 737NGs didn't have LCDs, they had CRTs. But the 737-900 introduced LCDs. Now can't you get LCDs on all of them?

I realize the switch from 767-200 to 767-400 involves a lot more than that, but still.

And Airbus is offering the A340-600 cockpit on the A330s and A340s now, aren't they?

Am I comparing apples to oranges?

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RE: 764 Commonality?

Wed Nov 13, 2002 5:21 pm

Would be interested to hear how the Continental pilots who are typed on all variants (752/762/764) feel about the arrangement. How often do you have to fly the 764 to keep current on it.

It's bad enough with us flying the 752/762/763. We don't have to fly a 767 for years, but still have it as a current type rating provided we take alternate simulator assessments (i.e. 752/763/752/763, etc...).

This is something many of our pilots disagree with. Whilst the 752 and 762 are very similar aircraft, I find the 763 a different ball game to fly.

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RE: 764 Commonality?

Wed Nov 13, 2002 11:15 pm

Does the 763 and 764 have similar cockpit? Or does the 764 have more in common with the 777?
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RE: 764 Commonality?

Thu Nov 14, 2002 12:07 am

JAL,

I think we've covered that?....

"The 757/200/300 and 767-200 have exactly the same cockpit display layout, ONLY the 767-400 has the 777 style six LCD display."

"The B767-200 resembles the B757. There is an Electronic ADI and Electronic HSI on both sides with 2 EICAS displays on top of each otehr in the center. The B767-400 has 6 displays str8 across like the B777"

"The Continental 762 DOES have the 757-200 Layout. The 767-400 has the 777 style Layout"

"Actually, the 767-400 cockpit is very similar to that of the 777, but dont have the same type ratings"
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airzim
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RE: 764 Commonality?

Thu Nov 14, 2002 7:24 am

I apologize I stand corrected.

I never said that I was a CO pilot, I just said that I flew a CO 767 (only the 764 not the 762).

 
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RE: 764 Commonality?

Thu Nov 14, 2002 8:49 am

It's fine, I suppose I simply misunderstood you.

The 767-400ER is still a 767, no doubt, but the cockpit layout is quite similar to the 777. CO pilots change between the variants quite often, I myself fly the 757 as much as the 767, maybe even a bit more as the 757 trips and scheduling sometimes work more favorably for me . We underwent training to convert to the 764 prior to its delivery, but the program was short and only a bit more extensive than the differences training that one would receive when transferring from 757-200/300 to 767-200/300. An interesting feature of the 764 cockpit is that, while the displays are arranged nearly identical to the 777, the information that you can show on them can be programmed to present information like the earlier 767s and 757s, or in the same format as the 777.
 
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RE: 764 Commonality?

Thu Nov 14, 2002 11:46 am

I appreciate the clarification.