flyboy80
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Raleigh Durham Questions ( AA's Pressence)

Fri Nov 15, 2002 10:39 am

I was recently looking at some photos of Raligh Durham airport (RDU) Im 14 and i dont know how to spell that, lol. Well anyways, did AA operate international services from there? There were pictures of 767s that had captions that said that they had arrived from LGW. SO i was just wondering about AA's former, and current presence there. And what was the deal with MidWay having A320s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I never knew!!!!!!
 
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RE: Raleigh Durham Questions ( AA's Pressence)

Fri Nov 15, 2002 10:42 am

AA still flies RDU-LGW, but now it's with a 777 instead of a 767.
 
Hurricane
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RE: Raleigh Durham Questions ( AA's Pressence)

Fri Nov 15, 2002 10:56 am

Yes, AA still flies daily to LGW, and flew to ORY when they had a hub there, with the 762. AA will be starting daily flights to SJU with a 738 in December.
AA has extensive American Eagle ops to the northeast, and mainline service, in addition to all 4 hubs, to BOS, LGA, LGW, and will be starting service to SJU and SJC in the near future. AA did have a hub at RDU in the early 90s, but it went away in about 1995. Read more about the hub at http://airtransportbiz.free.fr/Networks/AABNARDU.html

And yes, Midway had one A320 briefly, I believe when their business model included ops to the Carribean. The routes to the Carribean and the plane didn't last long.
 
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RE: Raleigh Durham Questions ( AA's Pressence)

Fri Nov 15, 2002 10:58 am

Midway did operate a few A320's back when it was in service. After they went undeer they brought back a few 73G's for a short time but stopped that service as well. Yes RDU-LGW used be operated by 767's and is now a 777, due to the recent American Eagle build up at RDU
 
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RE: Raleigh Durham Questions ( AA's Pressence)

Fri Nov 15, 2002 11:37 am

AA RDU-LGW went 777 prior to the Eagle buildup I believe. I'd attribute the 777 more to the big dollar first class and b-class traveler's from Glaxxo-- that's the whole reason the flight exists. A flight attendant once told me Glaxxo subsidizes the flight by way of committing to buy a certain number of business class flights on each flight. Why else would AA run service from a non-hub to a non-hub such as that one??
 
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RE: Raleigh Durham Questions ( AA's Pressence)

Fri Nov 15, 2002 10:17 pm

American used to operate a daily B767-200ER service from RDU to ORY (Paris-Orly Airport) in the early 1990's because Rhone Poulenc Rohrer, a French company had operations in the North Carolina area near Raleigh. The flight did not do too well but I flew it during the 1991 Gulf War, originating in CLE and it was a nice flight. I flew CLE-RDU-ORY, which was much easier and and stress-free than flying CLE-ORD-ORY or CLE-JFK-ORY.

American upgraded the RDU-LGW service to a 777 last spring and has kept it since. It used to be a 767-300ER and before that, a 767-200ER.

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RE: Raleigh Durham Questions ( AA's Pressence)

Fri Nov 15, 2002 11:31 pm

Did the 767 originate in Cleveland, or was it just a through flight number?
 
aa61hvy
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RE: Raleigh Durham Questions ( AA's Pressence)

Sat Nov 16, 2002 12:19 am

does AA still use the 767 from RDU-DFW? or did they switch it to the 777? I remember it was a continuation from LGW when they used to fly the 767
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RE: Raleigh Durham Questions ( AA's Pressence)

Sat Nov 16, 2002 12:38 am

It's kind of ironic that AA is once again, REBUILDING RDU. This could serve as perhaps, a milestone in the industry, where RDU could end up earning the title as America's first predominantly Regional Jet hub, by a MAJOR airline? I think this is the direction PIT is headed, with USAirways.
 
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RE: Raleigh Durham Questions ( AA's Pressence)

Sat Nov 16, 2002 2:33 am

A few comments-


"SJC in the near future"- Where have you heard this? Isnt AA downsizing SJC a lot? I know most of the SJC-West coast mainline cities are now down to RJ's, and in some cases (PHX) are gone. Why would they add RDU-SJC now when it seems as if SJC is taking on a role of RDU, a eagle operations hub.

"RDU could end up earning the title as America's first predominantly Regional Jet hub"

Don't you consider CLE that already? CLE has been a RJ heaven for quite a few years now, and will only get more RJ's.


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RE: Raleigh Durham Questions ( AA's Pressence)

Sat Nov 16, 2002 3:38 am

SJC RDU was announced some time ago but I am not sure that it will go through
 
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RE: Raleigh Durham Questions ( AA's Pressence)

Sat Nov 16, 2002 5:37 am

SJC was announced a few months ago. If there is one route that will work out of SJC it would be RDU, because of the high demand for seats to the high-tech areas surrounding that area. Midway operated it for a while, and I believe it was successful.
 
afitch7881
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RE: Raleigh Durham Questions ( AA's Pressence)

Sat Nov 16, 2002 7:59 am

I forgot about the high technologies in both areas. I also now remember AA anoucing SJC a few months (over a year?) ago. Southwest will probably jump in and serve the market before AA however.
 
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RE: Raleigh Durham Questions ( AA's Pressence)

Sat Nov 16, 2002 8:33 am

Is it me, or did AA never really leave RDU? They had a bigger presence there in the past, but even now it seems as if their presence at RDU is certainly noticeable.

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Hurricane
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RE: Raleigh Durham Questions ( AA's Pressence)

Sat Nov 16, 2002 1:47 pm

AA pretty thoroughly left RDU. At one point it had only flights to DFW, ORD, and MIA, and an Eagle Saab to JFK, not to mention the ever-present LGW flight. They have always had a foothold in the traffic out of RDU, save when Midway was at its peak. When Midway went away in the fourth quarter of last year, AA had 22% of the passengers, compared to 18% for Delta, 18% for US, and 17% for WN. The major buildup of Eagle (and mainline) was only this year, so I'm sure it's much higher now.
 
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RE: Raleigh Durham Questions ( AA's Pressence)

Sat Nov 16, 2002 1:53 pm

Is Raleigh the smallest US city with a scheduled daily trans-Atlantic flight? Surely. (Other candidates may include Charlotte and Phoenix?)
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gigneil
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RE: Raleigh Durham Questions ( AA's Pressence)

Sat Nov 16, 2002 2:00 pm

Greensboro, NC, for the longest time had a BA nonstop to probably Gatwick, but maybe Heathrow.

I don't know if they still do... but Greensboro-High Point-Winston Salem is a far smaller area than Raleigh.

Oh and re: SJC-RDU... Cisco alone could make up for a good load factor. Raleigh is their second largest facility.

AA announced it on Oct 1, btw.

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RE: Raleigh Durham Questions ( AA's Pressence)

Sat Nov 16, 2002 2:11 pm

BA no longer serves any city in North Carolina. I'm not sure about it being the smallest area.....I figure the RDU area has about 2,000,000 people, and the airport serves rural eastern North Carolina, as well as the coast, so it probably serves 3 or 4 million. But I can't think of any smaller city with transatlantic service. Charlotte's service only succedes because of the US hub, of course. Possibly the Memphis area is smaller, with KLM to AMS? I'm not positive, though.
 
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RE: Raleigh Durham Questions ( AA's Pressence)

Sat Nov 16, 2002 2:32 pm

does ba still serve clt with a 767?
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gigneil
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RE: Raleigh Durham Questions ( AA's Pressence)

Sat Nov 16, 2002 2:40 pm

They recently announced they were discontinuing it... but I have no idea if they have yet.

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RE: Raleigh Durham Questions ( AA's Pressence)

Mon Nov 18, 2002 11:25 am

gigneil.....

WRONG.

Greensboro/High Point/Winston-Salem has ALWAYS been a larger area than Raleigh. Greensboro itself is bigger than Raleigh, Winston-Salem is bigger than Durham and the area istself is nearly 300,000 people larger.

Second, GSO never had a direct flight to London. In fact, the only passenger flight Greensboro has had nonstop was to Toronto with Air Canada.
 
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RE: Raleigh Durham Questions ( AA's Pressence)

Mon Nov 18, 2002 11:57 am

Is Raleigh the smallest US city with a scheduled daily trans-Atlantic flight? Surely. (Other candidates may include Charlotte and Phoenix?)

Phoenix is bigger than Tampa, Charlotte, Minneapolis, Cleveland, Cincinatti, Portland, Denver, Pittsburgh, and Memphis, just to name a few other trans-Atlantic gateways.

Though yes, Raleigh-Durham is the smallest trans-Atlantic gateway, down there with Memphis.
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