Big777jet
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Britannia 767 To BGR And PBI Today

Sat Nov 16, 2002 9:49 am

Wow!  Wow! Bournemouth, England to Bangor,Maine then go to West Palm Beach, FL on a Boeing 767-200 today. Bournemouth's runway 7,451 feet isn't bad for 767 can take off. Wow, it seems like a rare charter flight such a small town from Bournemouth. Here it is:

Airline Britannia Airways
Flight Number 719A
Departure City (Airport) Bangor, ME (BGR)
Departure Time 11/15/2002 11:44 AM
Arrival City (Airport) West Palm Beach, FL (PBI)
Arrival Time 11/15/2002 03:04 PM
Remaining Flight Time 00:00
Aircraft Type Boeing 767-200
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status Arrived

Airline Britannia Airways
Flight Number 719A
Departure City (Airport) Bournemouth, England, Great Britain (EGHH)
Departure Time
Arrival City (Airport) Bangor, ME (BGR)
Arrival Time 11/15/2002 09:58 AM
Remaining Flight Time 00:00
Aircraft Type Boeing 767-200
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status Arrived

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John
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RE: Britannia 767 To BGR And PBI Today

Sat Nov 16, 2002 10:57 am

I guess the 7,451 foot runway would explain why it didn't fly NON-STOP to West Palm and made the refueling stop at BGR. You're right though, that is an odd charter flight. I don't think we've ever seen a Britannia jet here in West Palm. I could be wrong, though.
 
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RE: Britannia 767 To BGR And PBI Today

Sat Nov 16, 2002 11:07 am

John,

I did see it for the before with Britannia at FLL airport and while I was work there at FLL from 2 years ago for myself. And I did see sometime at the night were came from nonstop Oslo, Norway to Ft. Lauderdale, FL for charter flight. This is one for such with the B767-300ER from 3 years ago or so. After happen for Condor were use nonstop from FRA-FLL sometime with connecting one-stop to Tampa, FL. Well, this is it for right now.

Regards,

Scott W.
 
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RE: Britannia 767 To BGR And PBI Today

Sat Nov 16, 2002 9:25 pm

"I guess the 7,451 foot runway would explain why it didn't fly NON-STOP to West Palm and made the refueling stop at BGR"

All our 762s must stop in BGR en-route to Florida. You'll be seeing plenty of our birds this Winter down in FLL and PBI on special charters for our P & O Cruises contract. Watch out for more a/c from BOH, BFS, BHX, EXT, EMA, CWL, GLA, LGW & MAN.

See this thread on the topic:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/905631/
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RE: Britannia 767 To BGR And PBI Today

Sun Nov 17, 2002 12:08 am

The reason for the westbound stop in BGR may be more a Customs facility issue. Although PBI has onsite US Customs, its facilities at the terminal may be limited to just the Beech 1900s, Dash 8s and smaller aircraft that come from the Bahamas and Caribbean.
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RE: Britannia 767 To BGR And PBI Today

Sun Nov 17, 2002 12:33 am

There is one widebody customs gate, B2, at PBI. It can handle a 747, I've seen it. The customs facility is well equipped and can handle it. My guess is they'd rather not, or they just don't have the staffing for it? I know customs has another facility on the other side of the airport, to handle the very busy general/private aviation side, which is where customs at PBI, concentrates most of their efforts, it would seem.
 
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RE: Britannia 767 To BGR And PBI Today

Sun Nov 17, 2002 12:50 am

Falcon / John,

I can assure you it's a range issue. Our 762s loaded from Manchester or Gatwick (long runway airports so not PLTOW restrictions) to MCO/SFB/FLL still require an outbound stop scheduled at BGR.

Only the 763 can make it non-stop. Sometimes the 762s will do it depending on the wind, but in the Winter generally not. All return flights ride the jetstream home non-stop.

We have some non-stop 763 services to PBI in December (rostered to be crewing one myself in fact on Fri 13th, lucky!).
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RE: Britannia 767 To BGR And PBI Today

Sun Nov 17, 2002 1:07 am

Big777jet,

With reference to your first post about runway length, the 767 has great takeoff capability. We operate flights from EGNT-KMCO (now KSFB) in the Summer and it has a 7,641ft runway. The 763 I am flying Cardiff to PBI direct is from a 7,723ft runway.

Just drags our V1 speed down a bit, but the overpowered 76 can continue to accelerate on single engine from a low V1 on a short runway and climb away before the runway runs out  Big grin

We are flying a 762 from Exeter (EGTE) to BGR in March, and the runway there is 6,834ft.
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RE: Britannia 767 To BGR And PBI Today

Sun Nov 17, 2002 1:27 am


I believe MAN had a couple flights from PBI and also a FLL one this morning...far too early for me. I think MAN stated that they're anticipating 4000 passengers to be using these services over the winter (which means that should this be repeated next year, it might even be reported in the CAA statistics as a route pair rather than "lumped" together under the catchall of "Other routes".

I pretty sure that BOH used to be the long-haul hub for Britain....back in the 1940s/early 1950s!

David
 
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RE: Britannia 767 To BGR And PBI Today

Sun Nov 17, 2002 1:34 am

BOU's facilities include a tea shed and a taxiway.
Are these people doing a PBI-SOU cruise then?
 
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RE: Britannia 767 To BGR And PBI Today

Sun Nov 17, 2002 1:40 am

I know that these charters are all on behalf of P&O Cruises throughout the Winter, so if you pick up a brochure you should be able to work it out.

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RE: Britannia 767 To BGR And PBI Today

Sun Nov 17, 2002 1:47 am

I'll have to get a ride up to BGR this winter to see some of these birds. Hopefully these planes will move over to MHT when our new runway is finished (I can hope...)

Jeff
 
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RE: Britannia 767 To BGR And PBI Today

Sun Nov 17, 2002 1:52 am

Jeff,

Are MHT trying to attract airlines presently using BGR for tech stops? How long will the runway be?

Rick.
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RE: Britannia 767 To BGR And PBI Today

Sun Nov 17, 2002 2:06 am

Hello all...

Very interesting discussion indeed! I'm a resident of New Hampshire, and near Manchester airport. Inasmuch as Bangor is (and always has been) a great tech stop location for transatlantic flights bucking the winds, I was wondering whether any of you that work for the charter companies in the UK/Europe have considered Manchester (MHT) as an alternative to BGR? Granted, we don't have 11,000+ feet of concrete, but by next summer our main runway 17/35 will be 9,250 feet.

As a holiday destination for people wishing to head to Boston, or to the mountains here in New Hampshire or nearby Vermont, I would think that MHT might be a great option. Has this possibility ever been discussed? Indeed, only 50 miles and one hour from Boston, MHT is proving to be a great 'secondary' airport for the Boston metro market and with 'land-side' infrastucture that is very welcoming (beautiful terminal, huge parking structure, low rates and by next summer one runway will be 7,000+ feet and the other 9,250 feet). MHT is consistently among Southwest Airlines' top stations.

MHT is a busier airport than BGR, and I'm sure when you guys touch down or depart BGR there's little or no traffic to deal with there. But we're not Boston/Logan by any means. While a bit busier, our traffic is very much skewed to the early morning departure bank and the late night arrival bank, with gates full of overnighting aircraft and remotely-parked jets all over the place. At 9:30am (when you touched down at BGR), our gates are largely empty. From mid morning to late afternoon (which is when these charters might likely transit our area) our gates are wide open and so are the runways.

I moderate a Yahoo Group dedicated to Manchester Airport (MHT). We have 83 members and we'd be thrilled to have you stop by & post!

Cheers!

Chris in New Hampshire
 
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RE: Britannia 767 To BGR And PBI Today

Sun Nov 17, 2002 2:28 am

Chris,

I will mention this possibility to our ops department, in case they haven't considered it before. It is likely in my opinion that we have a handling contract for transit flights through BGR for at least the next year though.
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RE: Britannia 767 To BGR And PBI Today

Sun Nov 17, 2002 5:30 am

Thanks, Rick!

And imagine the good PR bounce from the first-ever Manchester-to-Manchester nonstop!

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RE: Britannia 767 To BGR And PBI Today

Sat Nov 30, 2002 2:13 am

Today, November 29, the flight into PBI is a 767-300, and I believe is non-stop. If I'm not doing anything, I may head over to PBI to see it around 3:45.
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RE: Britannia 767 To BGR And PBI Today

Sat Nov 30, 2002 5:14 am

According to fboweb.com, today 11/29 at PBI, BAL698A & B is doing EGCC-PBI-EGCC and BAL719A & B is doing EGNX-PBI-EGHH. At FLL, BAL740B is on file for EGCC departing at 2045Z and BAL632B is on file for EGAA departing at 2020Z. All 763.
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RE: Britannia 767 To BGR And PBI Today

Sat Nov 30, 2002 9:44 am

Here are go:

Airline Britannia Airways
Flight Number 698A
Departure City (Airport) Manchester, England, Great Britain (EGCC)
Departure Time
Arrival City (Airport) West Palm Beach, FL (PBI)
Arrival Time 11/29/2002 01:57 PM
Remaining Flight Time 00:00
Aircraft Type Boeing 767-300
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status Arrived

And.. East Midland, England to PBI:

Airline Britannia Airways
Flight Number 719A
Departure City (Airport) Nottingham, England, Great Britain (EGNX)
Departure Time
Arrival City (Airport) West Palm Beach, FL (PBI)
Arrival Time 11/29/2002 04:39 PM
Remaining Flight Time 00:00
Aircraft Type Boeing 767-300
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status Arrived

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RE: Britannia 767 To BGR And PBI Today

Sun Dec 01, 2002 1:29 am

Well, here it go again!!! I do knew that was came back to PBI flight again.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy This is very good for first-ever nonstop from MAN-PBI first time. Wasn't have a no international nonstop into transatlantic flight out of PBI?!? Well, catch ya later!!
 
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RE: Britannia 767 To BGR And PBI Today

Sun Dec 01, 2002 2:44 am

EAL 742's will also be employed to MIA apparently on cruise charthers this winter

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RE: Britannia 767 To BGR And PBI Today

Sun Dec 01, 2002 2:44 am

Scottys,

We are doing several more before March / April next year - let me know if you want dates / times. Will be down there myself on Fri 13th Dec in a 763 (scheduled to be G-OBYG) non-stop direct from Cardiff (EGFF/CWL).

Rick.
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