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Jetsgo Files Complaint With Competition Burea

Sun Nov 17, 2002 4:28 am

Here is the article I hope you enjoy it.

Jetsgo Files Complaint on Air Canada-Quebec Deal


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17:46 EST Friday, November 15, 2002

MONTREAL (Reuters) - Start-up airline Jetsgo said on Friday it had filed a complaint against dominant domestic carrier Air Canada before the Competition Bureau of Canada after Air Canada signed an exclusive deal with the Quebec government.

In return for discount fares for travelers in the province's more remote regions, the Quebec government said it will buy all tickets for its employees from Air Canada and not subsidize any competing carrier in Quebec.

"This is a shocking misuse of public funds and another example of Air Canada's bullying," said Michel Leblanc, president and general manager of Jetsgo.

"They are forcing the government of Quebec to buy full-fare tickets for their bureaucrats while keeping competition out of the regional markets," Leblanc said.

Leblanc said Jetsgo would argue before the Competition Bureau that government money was being used to subsidize Air Canada's quasi-monopoly.

Jetsgo's president said the company was about to launch a new flight between Montreal and the Quebec city of Saguenay. He also said Jetsgo was considering launching two other routes in Quebec in the first quarter of 2003.

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So what do you guys think?

 
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RE: Jetsgo Files Complaint With Competition Burea

Sun Nov 17, 2002 5:25 am

Jetsgo is deffinitely correct in taking this action; lets hope they win!
 
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RE: Jetsgo Files Complaint With Competition Burea

Sun Nov 17, 2002 5:28 am

What's ironic is that the Quebec government is separatist, and yet have signed an exclusive deal for its bureaucrats to utilize perhaps the most outwardly Canadian corporation whose logo is a maple leaf.

So much for principles.

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RE: Jetsgo Files Complaint With Competition Burea

Sun Nov 17, 2002 9:13 am

Did Air North do anything about their complaint about AC getting a lot of government employee's?
 
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RE: Jetsgo Files Complaint With Competition Burea

Sun Nov 17, 2002 9:20 am

It's funny because my friend who works for the Canadian government said that no government entity (certainly not Quebec's! )do these sorts of things.
 
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RE: Jetsgo Files Complaint With Competition Burea

Sun Nov 17, 2002 9:45 am

The day that Jetsgo will start to fly routes to Mont Joli, Gaspe ...ect like Jazz will be the day they would be right complaining. Jazz is flying to those destinations because no one else wants those routes, simply because they are not making money. The Quebec gov is helping to keep an Air Bridge open to the smaller towns in Quebec. You keep flying those routes and we'll buy you a certain number of seats for a year. Without this deal all the small towns in QC would be left with no air service.

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RE: Jetsgo Files Complaint With Competition Burea

Sun Nov 17, 2002 11:16 am

For once I agree with Radarbeam.
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RE: Jetsgo Files Complaint With Competition Burea

Sun Nov 17, 2002 11:21 am

I completely agree with Radarbeam. The Quebec gov. used to ask it's civil servants to travel on Air France for intl. flights. Those new measures will stop that ridiculous practice. BTW, Yyz717, did you know that the Fonds de solidarité du Québec FTQ, which is 100% controlled by the Québec gov. has 25% of AC's shares? Curious isn't it?
 
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RE: Jetsgo Files Complaint With Competition Burea

Sun Nov 17, 2002 1:07 pm

As mentionned, Michel Leblanc's complaint should only be heard if he is in fact willing (and able) to provide service to the same level that Jazz does in Quebec. I personally think Leblanc is a pouty, sore loser in this case.

Additionally, Leblanc is complaining that this is a subsidy - I don't think anyone (even AC) would argue that it IS! The US Essential Air Services agreement that subsidies a lot of local routes that might otherwise go unserved. Here in Canada, Nordair used to be similarly subsidized.

If the competition bureau *does* step in on this one then I hope they force Jetsgo to match frequency. Business travelers prefer frequency over capacity. Mind you, having MD-80 service 4 times a day between Mont-Jolie and Montreal would certainly make the 2 or 3 Mont-Jolie spotters happy.
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RE: Jetsgo Files Complaint With Competition Burea

Mon Nov 18, 2002 8:10 am

Yes I agree with Radarbeam and Lymanm on this one. Leblanc is wrong on this one.
 
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RE: Jetsgo Files Complaint With Competition Burea

Mon Nov 18, 2002 9:08 am

That's Mont-Joli you moron.

Yeah, maybe El Blanco is worried about his blossoming Saguenay- Montreal route. Now that won't be exactly blossoming like daisies on a pile of crap now will it?

Apparatuses... yeah  Yeah sure how about Navajos! I suspect another cheesy tax write- off bit.
 
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RE: Jetsgo Files Complaint With Competition Burea

Mon Nov 18, 2002 9:27 am

I think La Blowjob should worry more about what he is good at then worry about a little deal with the Quebec government. The guy did so well chartering aircraft north and south and across the pond. Its not worth trying to fight AC, just go and do what AC is doing, do it better and fly to the high yeild areas....LAS, FL (MCO, MIA and etc.), Mexico???

As you guys put, Jazz is losing money flying to these little places I have never heard of or ever will travel.

To me this is stupid, does he think that he will be bigger than AC or atleast think he will win and deserve the routes?

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RE: Jetsgo Files Complaint With Competition Burea

Mon Nov 18, 2002 4:57 pm

Believe it or not, im hearing JetsGo is doing big time selling on Montreal-Saguenay. This could very well be a fact or rumour, but if anything, I think these are "hub-building" routes if you will..

JetsGO is doing the charter way. PreGo (JetsGo's charter affiliate) starts Dec 21 with flights from YUL to cancun, cayo coco, varadero, nassau and a few other places..

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RE: Jetsgo Files Complaint With Competition Burea

Mon Nov 18, 2002 9:49 pm

Believe it or not, im hearing JetsGo is doing big time selling on Montreal-Saguenay.

From who? This sounds anecdotal, which is meaningless.
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RE: Jetsgo Files Complaint With Competition Burea

Tue Nov 19, 2002 12:11 am

Neil,

A little note that you might have ignored (and you seem to ignore a few of them).. I said this could be a rumour or fact?? In La Presse on saturday, reading it on the Symphony of voices A320, there was an article about his bit about the competition bureau. Leblanc went as far to say that he was really satisfied with the bookings on the Saguenay route as of yet, and that the deal with JAZZ was gonna hurt their business plan....

 
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RE: Jetsgo Files Complaint With Competition Bureau

Tue Nov 19, 2002 3:23 am

Grant, I see what you're saying and I agree to a point. However, what I like about Mike the White is that this time he seems to be trying new routes. They don't make sense to us because we're not used to seeing a fairly large aircraft like the apparatuses MD-83's on these routes. If he's going into these new routes I am assuming he's studied the market well enough to be confident. If he succeeds, at least he's not really stepping on the big boy's toes, and he's truly improving air service for travelers.

Like I've mentioned in other threads, the biggest obstacle really is the stupid fees which passengers must pay, turning a discount ticket price turn into an exorbitant monstrosity of a fare, making it more viable to drive or take the train.
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RE: Jetsgo Files Complaint With Competition Bureau

Tue Nov 19, 2002 9:20 am

I don't believe much of what comes out of Leblanc's mouth.
 
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RE: Jetsgo Files Complaint With Competition Burea

Tue Nov 19, 2002 9:25 am

Mr. King, I tend to agree with you, but that should hold true for most people in his position. CEO's and company presidents are not there to tell the truth, but make their corporations shine even when conditions don't permit this to happen. LeWhite isn't the best CEO out there, but he is smart, and he's taking initiative, trying something fresh and I actually hope he succeeds.
"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster