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US Airports That Used To Be Hubs....

Tue Nov 19, 2002 4:56 pm

What US airports used to be hubs for which airlines?

1) DEN (CO)
2) EWR (PE)
3) JFK (TW, PA)
4) RDU (AA)
5) SYR (PI/ UR)
6) DAY (PI)
7) BWI (PI)
8) STL (TW, OZ)
9) MIA (PA, EA)
10) BOS (NW/ Atlantic Gateway)
11) PDX (DL/ Pacific Gateway)
12) MCI (TW, EA)
13) GSO (CO/ Lite)
14) DTW (RC)
15) MSP (RC)
16) MEM (RC)
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Tue Nov 19, 2002 6:32 pm

SJC ( AA, QQ)

 
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Tue Nov 19, 2002 10:25 pm

Don't forget that MCI also used to be the hub for Braniff and Vanguard. It never really was a hub for TW, just a major destination.

RNO was a hub for Reno Air.

RDU was the base for Midway

MCO was the primary hub for AirTran before its merger with ValueJet.

National was based out of LAS.

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Tue Nov 19, 2002 11:07 pm

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Tue Nov 19, 2002 11:16 pm

SJU - Eastern
CLT - Eastern
MSY - PrideAir
ATL - TWA
PHL - Eastern, Midway
IAH - Eastern
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Tue Nov 19, 2002 11:19 pm

IAD - New York Air
GSO - Continental
RDU - Midway
EWR - PeoplExpress
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Tue Nov 19, 2002 11:53 pm

BNA = American Airlines
MEM = Delta Airlines

Also, I wouldn't put the Republic hubs in MSP, DTW and MEM in the "used-to-be hubs" status, as they all three still exist under the auspices of Republic's merger partner, Northwest. DTW and MSP were North Central hubs before Republic, and Memphis was a Southern Airways hub.

 
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Wed Nov 20, 2002 12:59 am

I think DEN was a hub for CO


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Wed Nov 20, 2002 1:02 am

Here are some obscure ones.

ELP for TI and later CO
PHX for Hughes Airwest and later (though only briefly) for Republic.
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Wed Nov 20, 2002 1:44 am

LAX and SLC used to be Western's main hubs.
ATL was also a hub of Eastern.
CLT used to be Piedmont's home base.
EWR used to be Kiwi's hub.
MCI was not a hub for TWA, it was however a maintenace center for TWA.
BWI used to be a hub of US Air.

RDU was the base for Midway: the NEW Midway, the one that had F100's, A320's and NG737's, not the old one. The old one, which had DC-9's and 737-200's, used to have a hub in PHL. Just remember that there have been two Midway's in US airline history.

National was based out of LAS: the NEW National, the one that had 757's, not the old one. The old one used to be based in JFK before merging with Pan Am. Remember also that there have been two National's in US airline history.

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Wed Nov 20, 2002 2:02 am

I believe WestAir (besides feeding UA at LAX and SF0) had small commuter aircraft hubs at SMF and FAT.

Fresno (FAT) also was to be the hub for short-lived Air 21.
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Wed Nov 20, 2002 2:05 am

DEN-Stapleton: Frontier #1
ATL: Southern
LAS: Hughes Air West
IAH: National #1
MCI: USAir mini-hub

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Wed Nov 20, 2002 3:36 am

TPA: NW mini-hub
MDW: Midway
IAD: Presidential
MCO: Florida Express
STL: Air1
IND: USAir mini-hub
DET: Pro Air
ATL: Air Atlanta, TWA mini-hub
CLE: USAir mini-hub
HNL: Mid Pacific
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Wed Nov 20, 2002 4:05 am

GSO was also the Eastwind hub.
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2002 4:59 am

MKE: NW

Although not as large as the MSP/DTW/MEM ops, NW used to fly out of MKE to LAX, SFO, SEA (seasonal), YYZ, BOS, EWR, LGA, PHL, DCA, MIA (seasonal), with a bunch of Mesaba flights to IND, CWA, etc. (In addition of course to their three hubs, which are still served from MKE today.) MKE lost its "mini-hub" status in 1992.
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2002 5:13 am

National was based out of LAS: the NEW National, the one that had 757's, not the old one. The old one used to be based in JFK before merging with Pan Am. Remember also that there have been two National's in US airline history.

I believe the "old" National had its hub at MIA, not JFK.
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Wed Nov 20, 2002 5:18 am

CMH served as a small hub for TWA in the early to mid 80's, and also was a mini-hub for USAir in the late 80's early 90's.
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2002 5:31 am

TPA used to be a hub for Eastern and National back in the day.
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2002 5:41 am

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RE: US Airports That Used To Be Hubs....

Wed Nov 20, 2002 5:42 am

How about Seattle -Northwest Airlines.
 
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RE: US Airports That Used To Be Hubs....

Wed Nov 20, 2002 5:43 am

MDW and LGA were, of course, in their time, hubs for American and others.

Heck, even the DC-10 and L-1011 were designed to be able to operate from LGA...

DAL was also a hub, wasn't it, prior to the building of DFW?

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Wed Nov 20, 2002 6:05 am

UAL had a large operation at ATL from the 1961 takeover of Capital Airlines until 1978 when all service was pulled, they returned in 1984.
DAL had a super hub at DFW but services have been largely reduced.
Continental Lite had a hub at Greensboro until 1996.
TWA also had a hub at ATL from 1993 to 1995.
Dayton was a hub for Piedmont Airlines from 1982 until the 1989 merger with US Air
Eastern had a hub at Kansas City in 1983 and it was dismantled.
The American Hub at Raliegh/Durham was started in 1986 and dismantled in December 1994. Nashville was an American Hub from 1986 until 1994.
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2002 6:56 am

CAE used to be hub for now defunct AirSouth
 
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RE: US Airports That Used To Be Hubs....

Wed Nov 20, 2002 7:10 am

Well since other smaller "hubs" were thrown out...

TOL for Liberty Airlines, fleet of a few Convair 580s - 1983...now the only hubs here are those of the cargo variety.  Smile
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2002 8:10 am

Jahckass,

SJC STILL is a hub for AA......

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Wed Nov 20, 2002 8:19 am

Where and when did Presidential Airlines fly?
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Wed Nov 20, 2002 8:26 am

there have actually been 3 National Airlines  Smile
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2002 8:40 am

DFW was a Delta hub for some time, right?

DTW-- Comair's home and hub before it moved to CVG and became a Delta Connection carrier.

MCI -- Air Midwest's hub before being bought/sold/bought/sold.... now it is owned by Mesa Airlines and operates as Mesa with a hub in ABQ and operates as USAirways Express with a hub in PHL.

DET was ProAir's hub (though short-lived.)
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Wed Nov 20, 2002 9:48 am

Wasn't SYR a hub for Empire and Piedmont?


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Wed Nov 20, 2002 10:04 am

TWA called SJU a focus city- so it could be said they had a very small hub type of op at San Juan. They even had a connection service to the caribbean with codeshare flights by Gulfstream International.
Gulfstream International also had a Caribbean hub in San Juan but they have since left.
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Wed Nov 20, 2002 11:26 am

SFO - PSA, until they merged with US Air.
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Wed Nov 20, 2002 12:02 pm

CV990A:

As mentioned in the original post, yes!
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Wed Nov 20, 2002 12:41 pm

COS used to be a hub for Western Pacific and Mountain Air Express (now part of Air Wisconsin).

PDX used to be a mini-hub for DL.

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Wed Nov 20, 2002 12:48 pm

Didn't IAD used to be a CO hub before they swapped with UA for was it CLE? Or was it that they inherited from New York Air?
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2002 1:27 pm

Zrs70- I'm sorry- I totally missed that!
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Wed Nov 20, 2002 1:34 pm

TUS was the hub for Apache, Cochise and Arizone Airways.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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Wed Nov 20, 2002 2:06 pm

**Nashville was an American Hub from 1986 until 1994.**

Are you sure only until 1994?

Because I remember going down to Spring Break in 1995 and I would always stop in Nashville on the way down and of course I would drive by the airport and I remember still seeing a lot of AA operations but mainly Eagle ATRs and a lot of Eagle Jetstreams when they still had them. I know it was 1995 because that was the year it was dark when I got to Nashville and there was a big AA and AE bank going out at that time, I watched them take off from that runway on the eastern end, the one east of Donnelson Pike (i think thats the name of the road).


**DTW-- Comair's home and hub before it moved to CVG and became a Delta Connection carrier.**

Really? I remember seeing Comair aircraft at DTW for some time back when they had those old red and white colors on their EMB110s and Saabs and Metros, but I had no idea that they were hubbed at DTW before CVG

Now I do remember and no one mentioned as far as I know, but Simmons Airlines used to have a huge hub at DTW back when Simmons was a Republic Feeder, before they became Eagle, although Simmons had their old multicolored aircraft- Emb110s, Short 360s and YS-11s, although I believe Simmons main base was Marquette or Sault St. Marie Mich.

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DAY- Emery

YIP- American International (Kitty Hawk International) and Zantop, although Zantop sort of still exists it is nothing like it used to be at YIP


 
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Wed Nov 20, 2002 2:13 pm

Here's another obscure one: Altair Airlines used to hub at PHL, around 1980-82. They flew Fokker F-28's to Rochester, Buffalo, New England, Florida, and a few places in between. Empire acquired most of their F-28's, I think.

BTW the database has no photos of Altair's F-28's and their two-tone blue bird-head livery.

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RE: US Airports That Used To Be Hubs....

Wed Nov 20, 2002 2:50 pm

Yes for the most part Continental acquired the IAD hub from New York Air, however they actually had other routes that New York Air never had from IAD.......like IAD-LAX, IAD-DEN/IAH. To add to the list Northwest used DCA as a hub and Air Florida used both MIA and TPA. Someone asked about Presidential. They operated up and down the eastern seaboard from IAD to BOS/LGA/ISP/MIA/ATL/CMH/MCO/PBI/BDL/Montreal/SHD/HSP/MGW/CKB/CVG/
IND and SAV. They also operated to a few points in the islands using the Key Air subsidiary. These were operated from both IAD and MIA. Finally there were some non-hub routes from ATL-MIA/MCO/PBI and MIA-MCO and BOS-MCO.
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2002 3:15 pm

The Continental hub at Denver has already been mentioned, but in its day, it was the largest station in the CO system. At its peak in the late 1980s, Continental was bigger than United at Stapleton International Airport. In 1986-1987, Continental acquired Frontier and doubled the size of its DEN operations, adding dozens of extra flights, twice as many gates, and even an additional maintenance hangar.

I flew through DEN in 1991 and 1993 and I remember a sea of gold tails everywhere. The hub started to come apart in 1993-1994 and was almost completely gone by the time DIA opened in 1995. Originally, Continental was to occupy ALL of DIA's Concourse A (which is now the home of the resurrected Frontier.) I'm willing to bet that Continental's abandonment of Denver was probably the largest hub pullout in U.S. aviation history (although Eastern in Atlanta might deserve that title.)

Dallas Love Field (and then DFW after it opened in 1974) was the home of Braniff International.

Before Deregulation in 1978, Cleveland-Hopkins was one of United's largest stations. They occupied almost all of the 'banjo' concourse now used by Continental. United flew DC10s and 747s from Cleveland to Los Angeles, San Francisco, Denver, New York, Boston, etc... it was a mid-continent transfer point, just like Chicago O'Hare. United also had a large presence in Pittsburgh and a decent-sized operation in Detroit.

TWA had an entire concourse to itself at Chicago O'Hare prior to 1978. They scaled back their Chicago ops in favor of St. Louis and Kansas City (but mostly STL) after deregulation. Delta also used to be pretty big at ORD, as did Northwest, which in the mid-1970s ran several DC-10s to and from MSP every day.

And of course, there was the Eastern ATL hub, which for many years was bigger than Delta's. When they went under in 1991, Delta gladly picked up the extra gates and passengers...
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2002 9:29 pm

MCI still is a hub for the Air Midwest division of Mesa, operating as USAirways Express. USAir never had a hub operation going there.

BUF used to be a hub for -- you guessed it -- Buffalo Airways (WAAAAAYY back when).
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Thu Nov 21, 2002 12:29 am

DTW-- Comair's home and hub before it moved to CVG and became a Delta Connection carrier

Not entirely accurate. The bulk of operations when it opened in 1978 were from CVG to EVV, SBN, BNA, DAY, CAK, and CLE. DTW was only a throughflight from CVG that went through CAK. TOL replaced SBN on June 4th of 1979 but left June 1 of 1980. CMH came in on April 1 of 1980.

DTW's service next went past 3 nonstop cities any longer than a 3 month period. CVG and CMH came in on 1980/early 81...CAK was dropped. June 1 1980 saw DTW-CLE added. It all went from there...Comair began to grow faster in 1982 and eventually hooked up with Delta.

YIP- American International (Kitty Hawk International) and Zantop, although Zantop sort of still exists it is nothing like it used to be at YIP

American Int'l is back - sorta...Kalitta has since gone back to the skies after Kitty Hawk completely disolved most of the operations they picked up when they bought American Int'l Airways and Frieght.
 
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Thu Nov 21, 2002 12:33 am

DET - Pro Air

GYY - Pan Am III (or are they still?)

FWA - Burlington Northern (freight)
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RE: US Airports That Used To Be Hubs....

Thu Nov 21, 2002 1:25 am

ValuJet-Although they called them focus cities they were hubs for the most part by default.......ATL, IAD, RDU.
 
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Thu Nov 21, 2002 4:41 am

Cody thanks fo clearing that up.
 
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Thu Nov 21, 2002 9:03 am

MCI was a hub for Braniff II (the Pritzker iteration), in the 80s after EA's failure.

And PanAm had a hub of sorts at IAH, which they abandoned- overnight!- in the early 80's.
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Thu Nov 21, 2002 9:57 am

I heard tell that CO was planning on turning LGA into some sort of a hub. What is now the USAirways terminal was originally slated to go to Continental, then they hit bankrupcy and its now operated by the black birds from Philly.
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Thu Nov 21, 2002 2:01 pm

**American Int'l is back - sorta...Kalitta has since gone back to the skies after Kitty Hawk completely disolved most of the operations they picked up when they bought American Int'l Airways and Frieght.**

Well yeah, there is Kalitta Air which resulted actually when Conrad Kalitta bought back his 747s from Kitty Hawk International for half the price he sold them for.

My point is YIP doesnt look like the YIP of the 80s/90s with Kalitta DC-8s, 727s and 747s and L1011s parked all over the ramp.

Once in a while you see a 747 or 727 parked there and you see a bunch of his Lear Jets there.
 
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Thu Nov 21, 2002 2:13 pm

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SNA = AirCal late '60's & '70's