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Why Did Boeing Shut Down The MD-lines?

Tue Nov 02, 1999 11:36 pm

why did boeing close the production-lines for the MD 90 and MD 11?
Just because that planes were similar to Boeings 777 or 737?
But why did they buy then McDonell-Douglas? Only to cease production of this types? To have one competitor less?
Or because there were no profits anymore with MD 90 and MD 11? (But I can not believe this, or were McDonell-Douglas bancrupt, when they were bought by Boeing?).
So, what was the reason for Boeing to
a) Buy McDonell-Douglas?
b) Cease the MD-production-lines? (Except MD17 and MD95).

Thanks for your help,
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RE: Why Did Boeing Shut Down The MD-lines?

Tue Nov 02, 1999 11:44 pm

When Boeing had bought MD it was bancrupt
thats why MD was sailed
the aircrafts type of MD were became unordered
the MD-11 was never a big saleer
and the 80's are just old aircraft
so when Boeing saw that their are not selling anymore this plans the productions was cased.
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RE: Why Did Boeing Shut Down The MD-lines?

Tue Nov 02, 1999 11:51 pm

Boeing was much more interested in MD's military contract work - the commercial side of the business just came with it.

The MD-11 was fading fast except for the freighter variant, the MD-90 was just another variation on the DC-9 which by then was one entry amid a field of stronger competitors - the A320 and 737 families. I believe the 717 will suffer the same fate, especially since it was shunned in several recent orders for the unbuilt A318.
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But Why Did They Buy Then MD?

Tue Nov 02, 1999 11:53 pm

Thanks for your answer.
But when MD was bancrupt, why did Boeing buy them? To be bancrupt, too?
Not a good deal!
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TWA Is Still Recieving New MD-83's

Wed Nov 03, 1999 12:51 am

If I remember correctly, TWA is still recieving brand new MD-83's. And I also heard that after this large order of their MD-83's is complete then the production of these jets will be done. So as far as I know they are still building them over on the west coast, but only for TWA. And I also know that TWA has a large order for 717's, and also A318's.
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RE: Why Did Boeing Shut Down The MD-lines?

Wed Nov 03, 1999 1:07 am

First of all, MD wasnt bankrupt, they may have been heading in that direction, but they werent there yet. Boeing bought them for their military business, which was what Boeing was lacking, and was why the government approved the merger. The commercial side was dead on arrival, and Boeing just decided to honor the current orders and close the lines. They did give the MD-11 one last chance by trying to market it, mainly as a freighter, but the orders just werent there. They held on to the 717 for whatever reasons, and who knows, maybe they still have some tricks up their sleeve. The MD-83s TWA is getting will be the last ones built. They must have cut a good deal so that Boeing could use up what inventory was left for the MD-83s.

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TWA MD-83's

Wed Nov 03, 1999 1:19 am

Yes you are right TrnsWrld,TWA did put a late order in for the MD-83s and I think they are due to recieve there last MD-83 in early next year. Thus ceasing the very long running MD-80 program. As for the only other true MD product left , the MD-11 I think the last one also is to be delivered early to mid next year by a European airline I think. ( I can t remember which one)


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RE: Why Did Boeing Shut Down The MD-lines?

Wed Nov 03, 1999 1:19 am

I was following the merger process closely at the time in 'flight international' and other magazines, so I will just add a few words as I remember it:

MD was by no means bankrupt by the time of the takeover, indeed MD's then president Harry Stonechiper liked to talk about MD's pile of cash and plans to aquire other companies.

What eventually led to the takeover, was probably more long term strategic considerations. MD was suffering from a lack of future prospects due to the exclusion of its proposal for the JSF competition and the cancellation by its own board of the MDXX programme (Stretched, re-winged MD11).

On the other hand, Boing was keen to get it's hand on MD's military business, which was far superior to Boeings. So I think - in agreement with Dan-air - that it is generally accepted that the military business (and perhaps space) was the driver behind the deal. MD's airliner business was never important to boeing.

Boeing had a brand new design (777) in the same segment as the MD11. And much the same was the case with the MD90 and NG B737. Therefore the only MD jet to survive the merger was the 95. This is regrettable from an airliner enthusiast's point of view, but probably a sound business decision.
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RE: Why Did Boeing Shut Down The MD-lines?

Wed Nov 03, 1999 6:44 am

Sources in both TWA and SAS keep telling us that MD80 and MD90 aircraft delivered from Boeing-MD/Long Beach after the merger are of low standard, since employees know that their jobs will be gone soon and motivation is low. Especially bad finishing in wiring and electrical installations have been mentioned.

Sad thing.

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RE: Why Did Boeing Shut Down The MD-lines?

Wed Nov 03, 1999 6:55 pm

I wish Boeing had kept the MD90 lineup and closed down the 737 instead. Yes the MD90 is just an evolution of the DC9 series but so are the 737NG a continuum of it’s old self, overall they both have been operating for about the same life span. There are some real advantages to the MD rear engine T tail (clean wing) configuration, plus it doesn’t have the 737’s rudder issues. Did I mention that the MD90 was rated the quietest single-isle body flying before Boeing pulled the plug? Even with it’s narrowness, I always felt the MD 2-3 configuration was more comfortable than the 737 3-3 setup. I will miss the unique variety in MD’s products when all that will be flying are the same wing mounted twin engine cookie cutter look-alikes from Airbus and Boeing.