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Potential Pan Am III Problems

Wed Nov 27, 2002 6:54 am

This article was posted in a local paper this afternoon, and references talk of a Pan Am pullout of PSM.. Talk that was disputed, but wouldn't really surprise me if it were true.

http://www4.fosters.com/news2002/nov_02/nov26_02/news/bu1126g.asp

For what it's worth the 727 activity out of Pease is down to only two or three flights daily, though there are about 7-10 aircraft (both Pan Am and United) sitting at the hanger.
 
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RE: Potential Pan Am III Problems

Wed Nov 27, 2002 7:31 am

From what I keep hearing, Pan Am is doing really shitty.

They've only got like 1-2 flights per day coming in and out of SFB, they owe the airport a ton of money and I'm also hearing that they're pulling out of SFB in a few months.

Southeast basically stole Pan Am's SFB-ABE market. They're filling up an MD-80 and are doing quite well.
 
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RE: Potential Pan Am III Problems

Wed Nov 27, 2002 9:44 am

When PA bought all those United 727s I wondered, 'What for?'

I'm still wondering.

A carrier like this that can't seem to commit to any cities--coming and going with nary a word--will die a slow or quick death...but death is inevitable.

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RE: Potential Pan Am III Problems

Wed Nov 27, 2002 11:01 am

I spoke with some friends that work there and according to them, PA3 is trying to bust the ALPA and AFA contracts by closing down the airline for 30 days and bringing them back up as Boston-Maine Airways, d/b/a/ Pan Am. Don't know how accurate that information is but having worked for Guilford Transportation (the PA parent company) before, I wouldn't put it past David Fink to do something that low down and rotten.

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RE: Potential Pan Am III Problems

Wed Nov 27, 2002 11:37 am

Very interesting info, MxCtrlr. The J31 activity has actually increased up here at Pease, to appx 15 departures/arrivals per day. With a potential renaming, would they maintain the 727 fleet, or switch to the regional props only?

For what it's worth, in listening to the 727 pilots on the radio, I haven't heard more than three or four different voices in the past month or two. Their employment numbers definately seem to be down.
 
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RE: Potential Pan Am III Problems

Wed Nov 27, 2002 12:09 pm

Theiler,

I really don't give PA3 much of a chance of long-term survival and that is truly too bad. The PA name and the "blue ball" are world-wide recognized corporate identities. What they have done to both is atrocious! Having worked for all three incarnations of that venerable name, it is particularly disheartening to see the decline. When I was a Flight Mechanic with PA3, we would be in the terminal, awaiting the arrival of an aircraft and, when it arrived, people would stop and reminisce about when they had flown on the original PA. It was great to be a part of that!

What David Fink has in mind, I really don't know but you can rest assured that maintaining the heritage of a great aviation name is not priority among them.

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RE: Potential Pan Am III Problems

Wed Nov 27, 2002 12:47 pm

Out of curiousity... if this incarnation is PA3, then which PA was the considered the PanAm of the "Trippe era"? Also, which generation of PanAm was in service when PA103 went down? I always thought these were one and the same. Is there yet another incarnation that I'm not aware of?
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RE: Potential Pan Am III Problems

Wed Nov 27, 2002 1:12 pm

COncordeBoy,

The three incarnations of Pan Am were as follows:

PA1 - The original "Juan Trippe" airline 1929 - 1991. This was the incarnation that was around when PA103 was blown up.

PA2 - The second version started by Marty Shugrue of Eastern Airlines. They bought out Carnival Air Lines and promptly went out of business 6 months later. That led to...

PA3 - The current version bought out of the PA/KW merger bankruptcy and moved to PSM by Guilford Transportation (a railroad operator).

Hope this answers your question...

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RE: Potential Pan Am III Problems

Wed Nov 27, 2002 1:15 pm

MxCtrlr

Much thanks  Big grin
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RE: Potential Pan Am III Problems

Wed Nov 27, 2002 1:28 pm

although Pan Am part 3 wasn't lucky enough to get the "PA" code :P
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RE: Potential Pan Am III Problems

Wed Nov 27, 2002 3:28 pm

Well, they didn't shell out the bucks for it.Unlike Marty who paid $250,000 for the right to use the callsign "Clipper" on the radio.
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RE: Potential Pan Am III Problems

Wed Nov 27, 2002 3:48 pm

Actually, when I flew with them back in 1998/99, they had just gotten approval to use the "Clipper" callsign.

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RE: Potential Pan Am III Problems

Thu Nov 28, 2002 1:09 am

They use the "Clipper" callsign now.
 
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RE: Potential Pan Am III Problems

Sun Dec 01, 2002 10:21 am

Pan Am mk. III is doomed to failure. If not in the next year, within the next five, because those 727s will become too expensive for them to maintain when their route structure is not really set up to make money. I at times wonder if they just threw darts at a map of the U.S. and decided to fly there. Gary and Mid-America Airport are two great examples of PA3s genius. Perhaps they should just become a charter airline, and leave the scheduled stuff to the professionals.
 
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RE: Potential Pan Am III Problems

Sun Dec 01, 2002 5:50 pm

Boston-Maine Airways? I can't remember the last time an airline started using city/state names. ::Cough Cough:: Provincetown-Boston Airways ::Cough Cough::
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RE: Potential Pan Am III Problems

Mon Dec 02, 2002 2:11 am

Me neither ::Cough Cough:: Miami Air ::Cough Cough:: Air Wisconsin ::Cough Cough::

Funny thing is BR, they are both related to AirTran, so you should've known them both.
 
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RE: Potential Pan Am III Problems

Mon Dec 02, 2002 2:28 am

Word is that Guilford has purchased 15 Jetstream J31 from Finova Capital one month ago to be employed at Boston-Maine Airways.

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RE: Potential Pan Am III Problems

Mon Dec 02, 2002 6:47 am

Pan Am II was a reverse buy out of Carnival. It was in effect a name change for Carnival.
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Good luck to all employed at PAIII.