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Airlines Retiring The 747-400?

Wed Nov 27, 2002 5:27 pm

Does any airline plan to start retiring there older 747-400's? If so or when they do start retiring them what aircraft will they replace them with? Do you think British Airways will eventually order the 747-400ER and Singapore Airlines order the 777-300ER to replace some it's 747-400 aircraft. I think the largest airlines for the 747-400 are British Airways, Singapore Airlines, Cathay Pacific Airways, Japan AirLines (JAL) and United Airlines.

Do you think it's time for the very first customers of the 747-400 to retire them and go for the new A340's and 777 long range aircraft?
 
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RE: Airlines Retiring The 747-400?

Wed Nov 27, 2002 5:41 pm

SIA already starts (as usual) to put 744s on sale. 9V-SMD will be leased to Air Nigeria obviously.
In general I think its pretty early (and the wrong point in time) to replace the 744, the oldest are 13 years old. LH and JAL certainly won´t, BA might be forced economically, UA certainly. SIA, and less so CX are known of having a young fleet, so they´ll start first.
On the other hand Emirates for example already announced that they´ll start replacing 777s (with newer 777s)

Btw you forgot Lufthansa, they almost have twice as many 744s as CX does.
 
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RE: Airlines Retiring The 747-400?

Wed Nov 27, 2002 5:46 pm

Malaysia Airlines has reduced her fleet of 744s. PAL lost them to the creditors in 1998 (but now they have 2, I think), and Garuda reduced their 744 fleet as well.

Asiana did get rid of a few too and they are now flying with QANTAS.
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RE: Airlines Retiring The 747-400?

Wed Nov 27, 2002 5:55 pm

Retire??????!!!!!!!!!

The oldest 747-400 is only 12 years old!!!!!!!!!!

come on....they gotta get more out of a plane than that. Some airlines may be selling them as their needs change but i doubt anybody would retire one to the desert to be chopped up.

THe 757 is even older and most are still flying.


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RE: Airlines Retiring The 747-400?

Wed Nov 27, 2002 8:05 pm

Qantas actually only have 1 747-400 from Asiana, and have 2 from Malaysian. They are VH-OEB (Asiana) & VH-OEC & OED (Malaysian)

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RE: Airlines Retiring The 747-400?

Thu Nov 28, 2002 4:58 am

Ryanair!!!

PAL currently has 4 744s. They had a order for 8 plus 1 combi but they were never delivered because of the 1998 crisis and potential bankruptcy fro PAL

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RE: Airlines Retiring The 747-400?

Thu Nov 28, 2002 5:17 am

Hello,


The 747-400 second-hand market is currently suffering from the competition of the A340 and 777 derivatives, in addition the lack of immediate requirement for an airplane of the size of the 747-400. This has prevented some airlines from retiring some of their -400s in the way they would have liked (eg. United Airlines or British Airways).

But, yes, some airlines are/have been clearly looking for a 747-400 replacement.


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RE: Airlines Retiring The 747-400?

Thu Nov 28, 2002 8:18 am


Retire??????!!!!!!!!!

The oldest 747-400 is only 12 years old!!!!!!!!!!

come on....they gotta get more out of a plane than that. Some airlines may be selling them as their needs change but i doubt anybody would retire one to the desert to be chopped up.


I suspect United777 is wondering about when airlines will start selling off their oldest 747-400's and replace them with new ones of the same type (or some other type maybe). I seriously doubt that we will see a 747-400 chopped up in the next 10 years, unless it is a damaged one. Most Jumbos are used for 25 years at least.
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RE: Airlines Retiring The 747-400?

Thu Nov 28, 2002 8:23 am

Yea I really meant not retiring there 747-400 fleet but more like selling them to other airlines like Asiana did to Qantas Airways.

What aircraft will United Airlines replace there 747-400's with?
 
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RE: Airlines Retiring The 747-400?

Fri Nov 29, 2002 12:36 am

I think it was a BIG mistake for UAL to buy 747-400's!!! They have enough problems to deal with with out having to worry about the 747.
 
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RE: Airlines Retiring The 747-400?

Fri Nov 29, 2002 12:53 am

The oldest B747-400 is actually 14 years old and approaches 15. The one is D-ABVB Bonn operated by Lufthansa, it was built in 1988.


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