teahan
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Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Thu Nov 28, 2002 4:03 am

Hello,

Does anyone know the exact status of the Aerolineas Argentinas A340-600 order? I am getting conflicting information from everywhere and anywhere.

-- Aircraft order cancelled.
-- 4 A340-600 still on order.
-- Aircraft order cancelled but now looking into B777/A340 aircraft?

Then there are the rumours that the company is (again) on the verge of bankruptcy and that there will not be any new aircraft at all.

Finally, what about the plane based in Madrid? Read somewhere that it will be returned to Argentina?

I am rather  Confused .

BTW, did anyone notice the Aerolineas Argentinas A340-300 flying around in the Airline-Review.com advertising on this site? Here is a screenshot:



I wonder why they chose an AR plane and not something more colourful.

Best Regards,
Jeremiah
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ArgInMIA
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Thu Nov 28, 2002 4:30 am

The 340-600 Order is still there I think, there where some problems with the Madrid HUB.. I read that the plane was going back to Argentina, Also I read here that they where trying to get Argentina back to Cat 1 so they could increase their flights and possibly start a HUB in Miami to get the hard currency they much need...

I think 747Skipper knows about this.. If you read this.. can you update us on this?
Alto.. Mucho mas alto.. hasta la cumbre
 
teahan
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Fri Nov 29, 2002 4:35 am

ARGinMIA,

Thanks for your reply. Just wondering if you had anymore information on what exactly was wrong with the plane at the Madrid hub.

BTW, what's the big difference between Cat 1 and Cat 2 etc.?

Jeremiah
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ArgInMIA
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Sat Nov 30, 2002 4:05 am

I read on salvemosaerolineas.com.ar that they had trouble with pilots or something.. But I really thing that it was the pressure from ryanair/Iberia/BA

Been CAT II really sucks.. They don't allow any new flights to the US, you cannot even add new frequencies to the flights you are already doing.. So they have to stay with the 3/week to Miami.. So until they change to CAT 1 we wont see any HUB here or a daily flights like they want to do..

I'm trying to catch the attention of 747skipper.. To see if he can update us on what's going on to that.. !!
Alto.. Mucho mas alto.. hasta la cumbre
 
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Sat Nov 30, 2002 8:47 am

The MD is not going back to Argentina. The hub is really profitable, and there are new destinations planned: Tunis, Milan, Viena, Zurich, Frankfurt, AMsterdam, Berlin and Athens.

I read that the order for 4 A 340-600 is still placed.... but Skipper know about this better than we do.
 
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Sat Nov 30, 2002 5:12 pm

Also Beijing is likely going to be added first half 2003! A long flight from EZE though, I here it will likely operate via Madrid or maybe Auckland!
 
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Sat Nov 30, 2002 5:30 pm

Heh a literally impossible flight from EZE.

Auckland would be interesting... but MAD more practical.

N
 
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Sat Nov 30, 2002 9:06 pm

@JJ

Hi,

is it sure, that A.Arg will start service to Athens?


greetings
Chris
 
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Sat Nov 30, 2002 9:42 pm

Nope. It's just a planned destination, that they are likely to start if they get the rights. There was even a rumour about establishing a hub at athens to serve Turkey and Northeastern Afrika. But I don't think Olympic would let Aerolineas do so. They are in talks with the greek government about that too. It would be nice...
 
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Sat Nov 30, 2002 10:03 pm

Thank you JJ

I also hope to see, a "new" Airline in Athens.....

Chris




 
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Sun Dec 01, 2002 8:34 am

Again.. all this is pure talk from Mr. Mata.. half of the things he say are simply out of his imagination.. did you ever heard about ALAS? the alliance he said would start very soon in South America like 6 months ago? what about the code share with Continental that he said he'll get? Also Whats the status on AR debt with IATA???
Alto.. Mucho mas alto.. hasta la cumbre
 
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Sun Dec 01, 2002 8:46 am

What you say is true. MAta has a lot of plans for AR. In fact, more plans than what's possible for him to do. But the alliance was really going to happen. It was not possible because of Varig being in Star, and Lan being in Oneworld. And they were the 2 most important airlines in the porposed alliance.

However, then, Mata also spoke about the Madrid hub. And it really happened. I believe him. It's really profitable, so it isn't a very weird idea to expand it.
 
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Sun Dec 01, 2002 10:14 am

According to his posts in the Tech Ops forum, he's on vacation right now, so I think it'll be a while before he's able to respond.
 
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Mon Dec 02, 2002 1:47 am

Hello,

How is the Aerolineas service from MAD to LON going? To me it really doesn't seem viable particularly when the country is in such economic strife. Anyone know if it is profitable at all....?

Rgds,
SunCEO.
 
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Mon Dec 02, 2002 3:42 am

SunCEO

I took the inaugural LGW-MAD flight this summer, the aircraft was virtually empty. However, about 3 weeks later on the return leg, the flight was sold out. So your guess is as good as mine!

On a related note, Iberia's traffic between Argentina and Spain has actually increased by 7% over the year, so obviously there's still a lot of movement going on between Europe and Argentina.

I was in MAD last night, and the AR counter looked mighty busy.

Rgds
 
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Mon Dec 02, 2002 2:55 pm

Yes.. MAD Hub was doing great.. But I still ready very conflicting info about its future on salvemosaerolineas.com.ar but lately that place has become a war zone for Southern Winds VS. Aerolineas employees
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Tue Dec 03, 2002 6:54 am

Hey!

Would AR not be better codesharing on an existing flight (IB/JKK)? I mean to base crews and aircraft in a foreign country is quite expensive to say the least. If the additional capacity was required by the spanish carriers couldn't they facilitate it for AR? The link between IB and AR is very strong so I really don't se the point in this service.

Rgds,
SunCEO.

P.S. That flight is MD 80 operated isn't it?
 
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Tue Dec 03, 2002 7:01 am

MD-88, to answer the easier question!
 
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Tue Dec 03, 2002 7:58 am

Aerolineas Argentinas is in good shape.

On the subject of fleets, I have heard they are looking at offers for A320/A340 from Airbus and 737/747 from Boeing, and may decide by January.

On the subject of thier planned Miami hub, it is all set and ready to go. Cancun, Punta Cana, and St. Maarten, with plans for Montreal and Toronto later. Plus MIA (and JFK) will go to daily. This is of course, when Cat. II is lifted.
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Tue Dec 03, 2002 8:09 am

It would be great if AR went with some 744's. It seems as if all emerging countries are going with airbus (not a bad thing mind you) so it would be nice to see some variety and plus the 744 is beautiful.
 
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Tue Dec 03, 2002 8:11 am

Yes, I too would 'like' to see an AR 744, but not in their present livery.
 
ArgInMIA
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Tue Dec 03, 2002 1:25 pm

And please.. not in the NEW blue tail livery.. it makes me want to vomit !
Alto.. Mucho mas alto.. hasta la cumbre
 
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Tue Dec 03, 2002 5:46 pm

B747-200 LV-MLP is soon out of it overhaul in Ezeiza. It was seen last weekend with the blue tail, so expect to see the new colours soon. Would they apply the Austral name also?
 
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Tue Dec 03, 2002 5:54 pm

BTW, regarding AR's health, what is the vibe in Argentina regarding the airline..? What have the papers being saying (if anything) or AR public relations - is there a feeling that things are looking up at AR?

Another brief question: what can I expect to pay (average fare) for EZE-LIM (thinking of visiting Cuzco this Easter - late March/early April), any airline? As far as I could see, fares were not particularly cheap, at around 250 British pounds, after conversion from $$. (I've become used to cheap flights here in the UK...  Insane ).

Are any 'ofertas' likely on this route? Is it worth connecting at some other point to fly with a cheaper airline i.e. LAB?

Rgds/saludos
p.s. i hope the rumours that AR are doing well are true, it sure would be something to cheer about in these depressing times (for Argentina)
 
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Tue Dec 03, 2002 7:02 pm

Well, first of all, the International fleet wont have the name Austral on the other side.

Picard, you might get a good deal at their web site http://www.aerolineas.com.ar but if not, the fares will be high.....
 
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Wed Dec 04, 2002 7:31 am

try to buy it in Argentina, If you buy it from overseas they will sell you only full Y fare
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teahan
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Thu Dec 05, 2002 8:42 am

Thanks again for all your replies.

I just have one slightly OT question. I am going to Argentina at Easter (arriving a few days before and leaving a few days after). Will it be particularly busy hotelwise etc?

Jeremiah
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Thu Dec 05, 2002 8:58 am

Yes, it will be, considering that for many tourists its now kinda cheap to visit our country....

by the way, look at this article I've found: (only spanish)

http://www.aeropuertosarg.com.ar/Noticias/2002/2002b91arsavarios0312.html

Summarising:

AR will start its executive jet service soon, and up to 3 planes will be converted to the all first/business interior. In order to grow the fleet and replace those planes, AR will acquire Boeing 737-300's or Boeing 717's. Also, the maintenance center might get a contract with an important foreign airline soon!

thanks!
 
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Thu Dec 05, 2002 11:20 am

Jj,

AR is considering the 717? Is that true? Would be a very welcome boost if they choose the 717....
 
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Thu Dec 05, 2002 11:31 am

Well, the article says that.... and its from a mor or less reliable source (infobae). However, I guess they'll go for the Boeing 737-300. Imagine the high leasing costs of the 717! won't be good for AR.
 
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Fri Dec 06, 2002 12:38 am

I am sure that Boeing will make them a good price..... I remember that Austral was interested at the 717 back in the days when it was called MD-95...
 
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Fri Dec 06, 2002 1:43 am

I don't pay attention to the 'Southern vs. Aerolineas' titi-tatti, stupid debate anymore. I admit I admit, I was involved in that old discussion not so long ago in another forum, but then I had a couple of things to say about it. Now I feel as if both sides need some offers they can't refuse just to make them sit down and shut up... Why can't they both succeed anyways? One as the major carrier, the other as a niche international market, I've always said that. I think there is room for two carriers overseas.

What AR needs is some tag promotions like Quantas has always done with 'Australia' (that is, with the Australian tourist authorities whatever their name is). 'To Argentina with Aerolineas', or something like that, on tv channels in major cities worldwide. Besides, I haven't seen adds to come to Australia lately, I wonder why they have been pulled out...

Just send the tourists anywhere but not to Mendoza please! I don't want to spend my next half-summer giving people directions all over downtown or at the mall when I just want to chill. We are not doing as horribly economically out west as back in the east, so thank you very much!  Acting devilish
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Fri Dec 06, 2002 4:08 am

Hey Derico.. You better say WELCOME to those tourist.. thats one of the best sources of income any country could have.. its the best export we can have.. !
Alto.. Mucho mas alto.. hasta la cumbre
 
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Fri Dec 06, 2002 10:34 am

I was going to visit Mendoza for some days during summer, but it seems that they don't want more chileans like me over there hehehe
 
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Fri Dec 06, 2002 2:28 pm

Yes they want.. BTW why dont you go to Buenos Aires.. its nicer  Big grin heheh
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Fri Dec 06, 2002 5:08 pm

"To Argentina with Aerolineas, but not to Mendoza please!"

 
teahan
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Sun Dec 08, 2002 5:30 am

I am also quite surprised at Derico's "Keep out of Mendoza" attitude. Surely the place, like everywhere else in Argentina, could do with some foreign currency tourists. I know where I won't be be going this Easter.

717fan, while I am sure Boeing would give AR a brilliant price, I bet it still wouldn't be low enough due to the currency. In the days when the B717 was called the MD-95, the currency was worth 3 times what it is today.

Jeremiah
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Sun Dec 08, 2002 5:57 am



It's a joke people, don't get offended.

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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Sun Dec 08, 2002 3:04 pm

Oh, LIGHTEN UP, people. Do I really have to say I was joking????

I won't be anywhere near tourist-y places anyways. I'll probably just hang out around my cousins and friends houses... so just don't go to Av. España south of Espejo or to Godoy Cruz, so you won't have to deal with that anti-tourist Derico who doesn´t like giving directions...  Big grin

Latinplane as usual gets the inside-joke I was trying to convey. Good to read ya.



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teahan
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Mon Dec 16, 2002 11:53 am

Okay Derico. Sorry! I guess I should have seen you were joking  Smile!

Does anyone have any update on the planned order?

Jeremiah
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Questions (A340 Etc.)

Mon Dec 16, 2002 2:06 pm

Don't worry, I never got offended in the first place.

If you actually had considered comming our way, I would have probably liked to meet you... and cook up a barbq, it would be kind of funky.

Yeah (anyone please), what happened to the order of buszs?

No info on argentine press about this lately...
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