gmonney
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Use Of Scanner On Aircraft While Flying?

Thu Nov 28, 2002 6:25 am

I am on my way from YYZ-MCO in December....I was wondering if i could listen to my scanner on the way?

If so does anyone know what frequenies I need so i can listen to all of the centres on the way? I am taking Air Transat (TS).

Thanks in advance,

Grant
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fly_emirates
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RE: Use Of Scanner On Aircraft While Flying?

Thu Nov 28, 2002 7:15 am

the moment the airplane door closes, it is strictly prohibited to use any radio transmitting device, including a scanner. Take this advise from a flight attendant
 
turbulence
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RE: Use Of Scanner On Aircraft While Flying?

Thu Nov 28, 2002 7:47 am

Do not start a war use-it/vs/it-is-forbidden.
First of all, a scanner is not a radio transmitting device, it is just a radio receiver that has the ability to search some (pre-programmed or not) frequencies in a range other than just FM's 88-to-108 MHz.

Gmonney,

Yet it is legally forbidden to use any kind of electromagnetic devices in flight, and very specially during T/O and landing, if the wheather is clear and you politely ask the crew, you should have no problem in using it, at least while cruising. At least this is how it works in Europe: a F/A told me to shut off my video camera, which I did, but I told her that we both knew that landing with reduced visibility is different from cruising with clear wheather, so she could maybe please ask the captain. Less than one minute later she was back allowing me to use the camera. That's all. The problem will be if you find a narrow-minded F/A. Pilots will NEVER tell you not to turn on a small radio.

BUT:

The problem you'll find is the electromagnetic effect know as "the Faraday's cage" (don't know if this is the apropriate translation into english).

The airplane's fuselage is a closed metallic structure. While you are inside it you are, in some way, electro-magnetically isolated from outside, no matter there are lots of plastic windows. So very possible your scanner will have no coverage or very poor.

If any, try to catch a ground one somewhere in the 121s. Barcelona has 121.7 and 121.8 MHz. Athens also has 121.7
Tower is usually around 118s (Barcelona 118.1)
Once you have caught one, the last transmission of every sector usually is "call approach on 124.7", or "call radar on 124.45", or "for higher level call Marseille in 123.325. You're released by Barcelona. Good flight". This way, you'll always be able to switch to every next freq.

Hope I helped.

Best turbulences
 
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RE: Use Of Scanner On Aircraft While Flying?

Thu Nov 28, 2002 7:48 am

Fly_emirates,

Its not really a transmitter, its just a reciever. I was on an AA MD-80 and I asked the pilot and he said that he didnt think I couldnt use it????????

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turbulence
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RE: Use Of Scanner On Aircraft While Flying?

Thu Nov 28, 2002 7:55 am

Errrr.... two comments:

1st: The company is a USA one, right? I'd guess I could tell you "forget it"... Pity you're not flying a Canadian one...

2nd: You'd better not say "scanner"... it is quite a "hard word" and they could panic... Just tell them if you can try your little radio. Afterwards, this is not a lie: a scanner is nothing else but a radio receiver.

Happy scanning!!!
 
turbulence
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RE: Use Of Scanner On Aircraft While Flying?

Thu Nov 28, 2002 7:58 am

Sorry for the mistake... it is a Canadian company... You could be lucky!!!

Have a nice flight, happy scanning, and best turbulences!!!
 
gmonney
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RE: Use Of Scanner On Aircraft While Flying?

Thu Nov 28, 2002 8:07 am

Thanks guys, i have the frequencies for Toronto....my scanner is a little less technologically sound.....so i have to manually scan the frequencies.....i was hoping to get maybe the centres (centers ((the american way)) ) that i will be passing through.....program them a head of time thats all....

BTW, i have a window seat on an L-1011-500....both legs!!

Grant
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sushka
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RE: Use Of Scanner On Aircraft While Flying?

Thu Nov 28, 2002 8:09 am

However if you were going to use it, all you would need to do was start off with the correct frequency then listen each time they switch.
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goingboeing
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RE: Use Of Scanner On Aircraft While Flying?

Thu Nov 28, 2002 8:15 am

Well, considering that since 9/11 they'll damn near arrest you for watching planes with a scanner at some airports, the idea of having one in an aircraft in flight, when being told NOT to use it might get you a free trip to the FAA security offices to discuss your hobby. See, they don't even like you using FM radios is flight. I think they'd just love it if you used an air band scanner in flight. I'd check it in your baggage - they might not even let you carry it on - especially bad if it happens on the return trip. Have fun.
 
fsuwxman
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RE: Use Of Scanner On Aircraft While Flying?

Thu Nov 28, 2002 8:30 am

I never leave home without my scanner... When I am flying, I always ask the F/A. I never had a problem. I always research the frequencies enroute before I leave for the airport and program them in and just scan the whole trip.

That is very true with respect to the earlier post about the reduced, poor coverage inside the aircraft. But it is funny, when you change to a NWS radio frquency (162.400 - 162. 600) you can pick those up clearly from far distances.



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gmonney
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RE: Use Of Scanner On Aircraft While Flying?

Fri Nov 29, 2002 5:52 am

Thanks again....i wonder if I should look into this ahead of time. Call the airline and ask at that end....

Grant
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jwenting
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RE: Use Of Scanner On Aircraft While Flying?

Fri Nov 29, 2002 7:00 am

"use of equipment with an antenna will not be permitted during the entire flight".
That's a standard part of all KLM preflight briefs. Nothing about transmitters, only antennae.
The reason for that is that ALL antennae transmit data. They distort (minutely in the case of small antennae) any EM field they are located in.
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22886
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RE: Use Of Scanner On Aircraft While Flying?

Fri Nov 29, 2002 7:13 am

Howabout GPS are you allowed to use them whilst inflight? I know they display your current position on the flight show but it is not on most of the time unless you have a PTV in your seat.
 
gmonney
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RE: Use Of Scanner On Aircraft While Flying?

Sat Nov 30, 2002 3:59 am

That is a good point....GPS should be allowed....I think maybe it isn't, if you are getting diverted, like on Sept 11 people will get worried too much and maybe panic.....causing the passenges to be upset and worried....i think the less the people on board know the better....thats in the eyes of the airline.....Can't they just program the flight trackers with the time it takes for that flight and the little plane will show you the approx. place?

I just don't want to get my scanner taken away at the airport when i am trying to get onto the aircraft....you know at the inspection. Plus, I will have no luggage to check, my stuff will be in a truck on its way down there...??? I could have a lot of problems if i do bring the scanner?

What do you think?
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mandala499
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RE: Use Of Scanner On Aircraft While Flying?

Sat Nov 30, 2002 4:20 am

I detach the antennae from the scanner when going through security.
Less conspicuous... timetimes I put the antennae along with my pens and wallet... they most likely never see it... although... do so at your own risk !

When inside an airplane, I rarely get to hear the ground talking... all I hear is other planes in the area, then when my plane makes a transmission, I suddenly realise the volume needed adjustment ! LOL

Mandala499
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RE: Use Of Scanner On Aircraft While Flying?

Sat Nov 30, 2002 3:43 pm

Just fly United and tune Channel 9 and everyone will be happy.

FSP

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