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Why Did Hawaiian Trade In Their MD80s For... DC9s?

Fri Nov 29, 2002 11:53 am

Well, Why....??? The MD80 was much more quieter and fuel efficient, and it had more seats. Why did HA get rid of the MD80s and keep DC9-50s? Sounds pretty dumb if you ask me.
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RE: Why Did Hawaiian Trade In Their MD80s For... DC9s?

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RE: Why Did Hawaiian Trade In Their MD80s For... DC9s?

Fri Nov 29, 2002 12:26 pm

If memory serves, they only received 2 MD-80's and found them too large for their network. Combined with financial troubles, they got rid of them and standardized on the older (and less capital/lease intensive) DC-9-50's.

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RE: Why Did Hawaiian Trade In Their MD80s For... DC9s?

Fri Nov 29, 2002 12:48 pm

Actually Hawaiian had 6 MD-81s. First delivered in 1981, and all were gone in less than 5 years. The DC-9-50s were more suitable for Hawaiian's inter-island operations, as Yyz717 has stated. Glad to see Hawaiian now has 13 717s. IMO, they could a few more.  Wink/being sarcastic Regards.
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RE: Why Did Hawaiian Trade In Their MD80s For... DC9s?

Fri Nov 29, 2002 12:57 pm

Do these planes have a stair type exit in the rear (under the tail)?
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RE: Why Did Hawaiian Trade In Their MD80s For... DC9s?

Fri Nov 29, 2002 1:51 pm

IIRC, All of the MD80s have the stairs because the Stairs kept the MD80s on their tail.
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RE: Why Did Hawaiian Trade In Their MD80s For... DC9s?

Fri Nov 29, 2002 2:03 pm

Well they fly the DC-9-95 now so it's not like they've progressed much.
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RE: Why Did Hawaiian Trade In Their MD80s For... DC9s?

Fri Nov 29, 2002 2:38 pm

On my first trip to Hawaii in 1987, I saw some MD-80s, but I flew on a Hawaiian DC-9-14, N930EA. It was not ex-Eastern, even with that tail number. I remember that it still had open overhead racks. All the rest of my Hawaiian inter-island flights were on DC-9-51s, and one of them was ex-Eastern, N420EA. This December I get to fly on two of their 717s. I'm looking forward to it, but I'll miss their DC-9s.

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RE: Why Did Hawaiian Trade In Their MD80s For... DC9s?

Fri Nov 29, 2002 3:02 pm

DeltaSFO, They have progressed alot. In the 1980s they Sold their MD80s (Newer) and kept the DC9-50s (Older). Now they got MD-95s (Newer) and they got rid of the DC9-50s (Older) This time they didn't get it A$$ Backwards
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RE: Why Did Hawaiian Trade In Their MD80s For... DC9s?

Fri Nov 29, 2002 3:04 pm

Easy and simple answer;
The MD-80's were way too big and heavy for the flying we do. Every time you take off you're lifting the weight of the airplane along with you. If you're flying 2-3 hour legs, no problem. But we fly maybe 10 -12 legs a day at 20 minutes per leg. All that takeoff and climb put a big plane like the MD-80 at a big disadvantage in performance and fuel usage.

Practically speaking, a large turboprop like a new Dash-8-400 would be perfect for interisland. However the people of Hawaii have voted with their feet and insist on jet service between the islands. So the best compromise for us now is the smaller, lightweight 717.

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RE: Why Did Hawaiian Trade In Their MD80s For... DC9s?

Fri Nov 29, 2002 6:04 pm

MD-80s also have too much capacity for the routes that Hawaiian flies. I'm sure that Hawaiian would trade frequencies for large planes anyday.
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RE: Why Did Hawaiian Trade In Their MD80s For... DC9s?

Sat Nov 30, 2002 12:45 am

Perhaps they are a candidate for an RJ at some point in the future. Is there anyone that does inter-island with an RJ?
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RE: Why Did Hawaiian Trade In Their MD80s For... DC9s?

Sat Nov 30, 2002 4:05 am

Acidradio wrote:

"Perhaps they are a candidate for an RJ at some point in the future. Is there anyone that does inter-island with an RJ?"

HA would most likely not go for an RJ as they are committed to using their brand new 717's for the long run. The 717's are a perfect match for HA and interisland flying as it was specifically designed for that type of flying (High density, short range flights).

Right now no airline flies interisland with RJ's. Aloha was considering the RJX but that aircraft was cancelled or something like that. Aloha has since decided to continue to use their 737-200's but eventually will have to replace them. Even when Aloha decides on a new airplane they probably won't go for an RJ because they need an aircraft with QC capabilities for their night interisland cargo operations. I don't see them going for an RJ unless someone makes an RJ with QC in the future.
 
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RE: Why Did Hawaiian Trade In Their MD80s For... DC9s?

Sat Nov 30, 2002 7:46 am

In the early 80's they leased some from PSA (or was it the other way around...)