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Egyptair TU-154? (Info Needed)

Sun Dec 01, 2002 7:59 am

Does anybody know the story behind Egyptair's TU-154M's?

How many did they have? How long were they in service? Any pictures? (I can't seem to find any on the net)

Thanks for your responses,
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RE: Egyptair TU-154? (Info Needed)

Sun Dec 01, 2002 8:03 am

Briefly, during the early 70's, Egypt aligned itself with the USSR. It was then that Egyptair added the TU-154M. Sadat changed direction soon after & re-aligned his govt with the West.....and the Tupovlev's were gone.

I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
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RE: Egyptair TU-154? (Info Needed)

Sun Dec 01, 2002 9:46 am

Just to correct the information given above.

Egypt was aligned with the Soviet Union basically since 1956 when America and England withdrew their financial support for the building of the Aswan High Dam and was so aligned with the USSR until Sadat expelled Soviet military personnel in 1972. This explains why Misrair, United Arab Airlines and then, Egyptair have operated aircraft such as the An-24, Il-14, Il-18, Il-62 and Tu-154.

In 1973, Egyptair (renamed from United Arab Airlines in 1971) ordered 8 Tu-154 airframe (please note, the Tu-154M did not fly until 1982). When delivered they were given the registrations:

1. SU-AXB - delivered 1/12/1973
2. SU-AXC - delivered 4/12/1973
3. SU-AXD - delivered 15/12/1973
4. SU-AXE - delivered 20/12/1973
5. SU-AXF - delivered 01/1974
6. SU-AXG - delivered 21/01/1974
7. SU-AXH - delivered 24/02/1974
8. SU-AXI - delivered 03/1974

SU-AXB crashed after take-off on a training flight on 10/7/1974 with the loss of 6 lives on board --> http://aviation-safety.net/database/1974/740710-1.htm

The Tu-154s were frequent visitors to European and Africans airports, until they were disposed of in 1975 (the date I have is 19/3/1975).

I have 2 postcards of the Tu-154 in Egyptair livery which I will dig out from my files and will post later on here.

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RE: Egyptair TU-154? (Info Needed)

Sun Dec 01, 2002 3:04 pm

So they had 8 of them but for only a couple of years.

But I wonder why I can't find any pictures of them? Anyway, thanks for the info.
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RE: Egyptair TU-154? (Info Needed)

Sun Dec 01, 2002 5:26 pm

Ba777-236

Aero Classics have just released a 1:400 model of the Tu-154 in Egyptair livery.

Available from http://www.aeroclassics.info/retailers.php

I recommend that you go with the one in Hong Kong called Toymax, because the European and American retailers rip the customer off (overcharging by US$10) for the model and then some charge up to US$12 for postage. Total rip-off merchants.



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RE: Aviatsiya

Mon Dec 02, 2002 1:51 am

Ya, I know about the model. Actually, I'm holding one in my hand right now! Wow!

This model was actually the reason I wanted info about the real aircraft, as I never knew Egyptair operated this aircraft.
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RE: Egyptair TU-154? (Info Needed)

Mon Dec 02, 2002 7:07 am

Aviatsiya -- thanks for the correction of my vague info & all of your detailed info!

I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
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RE: Egyptair TU-154? (Info Needed)

Mon Dec 02, 2002 7:48 am

Faheem,

I have recently scanned in an Egyptair 154 and it will be in my next batch to upload. Hopefully, you may see it on a.net in a few days time.

They were delivered via London Heathrow so they could have British built seats fitted.

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RE: Egyptair TU-154? (Info Needed)

Mon Dec 02, 2002 8:29 am

The UK (not England!) more or less cut itself off from any diplomatic or trade connectrions with Egypt following the unsuccessful nvasion of the Suez Canal Zone in 1956. Although the USA did not support this miltary operation (one of the reasons why it did not succeed), they also found that they had to curtail diplomatic and economic contact with Egypt too. As a result, President Nasser turned to the Soviet Union for both miltary and economic support. It was only after Nasser died in 1970, that relations with the West began to ease, culminating with the Arab/Israeli Camp David peace treaty in 1977
 
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RE: Egyptair TU-154? (Info Needed)

Mon Dec 02, 2002 9:07 am

Whilst British links with Egypt suffered as a result of Suez in 1956,let us not forget that United Arab Airlines took delivery of Viscounts in 1958, later bought Comet 4C's and also was keen to buy a fleet of Super VC10's.

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RE: Egyptair TU-154? (Info Needed)

Tue Dec 03, 2002 7:08 pm

Just came across this one Big thumbs up


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Unfortunately had a rather short life Sad

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RE: Egyptair TU-154? (Info Needed)

Tue Dec 03, 2002 7:25 pm

and also was keen to buy a fleet of Super VC10's

But thankfully they received the much nicer Il-62 instead


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Nice photo of the Tu-154 also Ray
 
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RE: Egyptair TU-154? (Info Needed)

Tue Dec 03, 2002 7:30 pm

Unfortunatly everyone knows the IL-62 (Ugly) is a poor copy of the VC-10 (cool)  Big thumbs up
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RE: Egyptair TU-154? (Info Needed)

Tue Dec 03, 2002 7:51 pm

Unfortunatly everyone knows the IL-62 (Ugly) is a poor copy of the VC-10 (cool)

Here we go again...I don't want to do this , as this thread is about somethign else but after the above remark...

Gkirk: Everyone? Haha I don't!! Sorry, but they are both good(looking) designs I think, although I like the IL-62 more... Big thumbs up

Does (almost) no one here RESPECT the fact that there are people that like Soviet and Russian aviation???? Could we please stop remarks like the above, before we again end up in this endless discussion between the pro- and anti-Soviet/Russian aviation people we already had too often. Sad

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RE: Egyptair TU-154? (Info Needed)

Tue Dec 03, 2002 8:04 pm

According to a Colin Ballintine book on the -154 that I have,
the Egyptair versions ameliorate the Russian-British dichotomy suggested in some of the messages above....: they were fitted out at Heathrow prior to delivery to Cairo, with Trident seats.  Smile
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RE: Egyptair TU-154? (Info Needed)

Tue Dec 03, 2002 8:06 pm

Must admit, the EgyptAir Tu154 looks good though  Big grin
Where did they fly them to?

Ra-85154: Maybe I should have put a  Laugh out loud at the end of my comment as it was designed to be a joke. I, myself, dont mind any Soviet a/c, as I thought the IL-96 which I seen in Tenerife in October was absolutly stunning  Love I also like the Tu154 and IL-62 a/c as well however.  Smile
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RE: Egyptair TU-154? (Info Needed)

Tue Dec 03, 2002 8:14 pm

Gkirk: haaha good to hear, sorry for the overreaction then..maybe I didn't get the point, as a non-english speaking you know Big thumbs up

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RE: Egyptair TU-154? (Info Needed)

Tue Dec 03, 2002 9:19 pm

Thanks alot for this great topic .

I heared a rumor from a friend that Egypt Air want's to buy a number of TU-204 aircrafts that will be fitted with English cockpit version .
How far is this true .

Currently they lease two aircrafts from Egyptian airline called Air Cairo & they are pleased with the a/c performance & economics .

Regards .
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RE: Egyptair TU-154? (Info Needed)

Wed Dec 04, 2002 2:16 am

Ray, do you think I may borrow your picture for my website? It looks very nice!


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RE: Egyptair TU-154? (Info Needed)

Wed Dec 04, 2002 6:32 am

Erm... sorry guys, but I thought I recognised that picture above by Ray Pettit.

Just found a postcard in my collection here with a picture thats almost exactly the same... unfortunately the card doesnt have a photographer credit - just a publisher: EAH Publications. The blue/white BMA Viscount(?) in the background is about 1 meter further forward on my pic, but everything else is identical... so it looks like the next frame, basically. Oops, the centre door is closed on my postcard too, but its still likely to be the very next frame...

Can anyone shed any light on this? or am I too suspicious of everyone? Sorry if it really is your pic, Ray. A brilliant one too!!! Well done.. A very nice bird indeed!

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RE: Egyptair TU-154? (Info Needed)

Wed Dec 04, 2002 7:33 am

Ben,

Well, it certainly is my picture and am extremely proud of it!
It is frame no.2 on a roll of Kodachrome, and I've got that box of slides right in front of me. Frames 1 and/or 3 were also of SU-AXB but I took these in quick succession and so almost certainly feature that centre door being open too.
I suspect that your postcard shot was taken within an hour of mine. The British Midland Viscount is static in the cargo area and not moving on the taxi-way. Added to that, any enthusiast/airport worker would have made a special effort for this shot - a beautiful sunny day of an aircraft not likely to revisit LHR. Also, the Tu154 was still quite novel then - this one had c/n 48.
And in case you are wondering, here's frame 4 from that roll.

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Anyway, Ben thanks for keeping a look out

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RE: Egyptair TU-154? (Info Needed)

Wed Dec 04, 2002 3:16 pm

Sirrocco of Egypt has signed a firm deal with Tupolev for another 5 or so TU-204-120's (the cargo version) with Pratt & Whitney engines and Honywell avionics. Previous production aircraft have had the PS-90-A engines. And yes, the original IL-62 was a poor copy of the VC-10, while the last version produced had many upgrades beyond the original design.
 
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RE: Egyptair TU-154? (Info Needed)

Wed Dec 04, 2002 3:39 pm

Afay1, just to correct the information you gave above.

The Tu-204-100 is the "original" version of the aircraft. The Tu-204-120 is the "westernised" version of the aircraft. The 6 Tu-204-120s which are in the Air Cairo fleet are all powered by RB211-535E4-B and have Honeywell avionics. They are SU-EAF/G/H/I/J/K.

The deal which Sirocco has signed was done with ZAO Aviastar, with AOA Tupolev and Aviaexport being "sideline" signatories. The deal is for an initial 5 Tu-204-120Cs which are destined for China (Air China and China Eastern Airlines). There are options on a further 10 aircraft, and these are expected to be converted into firm orders in the future. The first is due to be delivered by the end of 2003 with financing approval from the EBRD ($50 million) is expected by 17 December.

Also, this deal, valued at $355 million, does not include the RR engines or the Honeywell avionics. They have yet to be signed.

Sirocco is a "subsidiary" of the KATO Group (Egypt) and Air Cairo is affiliated with KATO.