kaitak
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I Love Schiphol!

Sun Dec 01, 2002 9:22 pm

Good afternoon all, from the D pier at Schiphol. What a wonderful Airport. I checked in at about 10am (for a 3.55pm flight, to LHR - KL 737-800) and have spent my time scouting around. Target of the day was the SIA 772, which today was 'SVK. Also here were a BR 744 ('16408), CX 340 ('HXK) and an MH 777 ('MRL). It's not just the variety of aircraft, but the generally relaxed attitude about the place. There's very little stress, no frayed nerves, everything is well thought out, shopping and eating facilities are clean and excellent and all in all, a wonderful place to be. Unlike at other airports, security staff don't go into "thug mode" when you try to take photos, even of US aircraft; mind you there is an Iran Air A300-600R ('IBB) just across from where I am - if you never hear from me again, you'll know what's happened!

Just waiting now for my next "must see", a KE A330, due in at about 2.40pm.

The panaroma terrace is OK - doesn't allow you to see all gates, particularly (and frustratingly!) the F and G piers; it only opens at 9am (not punctually!) in Winter and closes at 5pm, but that's just nitpicking. This is a marvellous airport and I'd fly through here anytime. Roll on those KLM 777s and A330s!
 
jwenting
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RE: I Love Schiphol!

Sun Dec 01, 2002 9:38 pm

Glad you like it too  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
The terrace wouldn't be much fun outside the opening hours anyway. It's usually dark or getting dark, cold and often wet.
You've never been there in -25C with 20 knots of wind blowing in I guess  Nuts (or in driving rain).
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RE: I Love Schiphol!

Sun Dec 01, 2002 10:04 pm

hi kaitak,

yes, you defenitaly picked to right airport to fly from, Schiphol is one of, if not the best airports in the world in many ways!!!


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I actually wanted to go spotting there today but it's a little cold and grey out there... I'll wait for some better weather!

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cschleic
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RE: I Love Schiphol!

Mon Dec 02, 2002 12:23 am

Definitely a great place to watch and photograph planes. If you have a car or a ride, the runway 6-24 spot is superb.

Does anyone know if the road along 1L-19R is permanently closed? I was there last May and although it was officially "closed" for construction of the new runway, the gates were open and a few cars were there watching planes. It was a weekend so no construction in progress. It provides great views for arrivals.
 
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RE: I Love Schiphol!

Mon Dec 02, 2002 12:30 am

Just waiting now for my next "must see", a KE A330, due in at about 2.40pm.

Hasn't KE suspended AMS untill next March or have I missed something?
 
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RE: I Love Schiphol!

Mon Dec 02, 2002 1:44 am

I totally agree!!! Schiphol is one of the best! I have been there 3 times this past year and will be there in 2 weeks and once more in January.

I have the privelege of sitting in KLM's World Business Class lounge which provides fantastic views, but I do go for walk arounds occasionally. After all what else can you do when your flight gets in at 8am and your connection is at 4pm! I would definately not want to spend it anywhere but Schiphol.

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RE: I Love Schiphol!

Mon Dec 02, 2002 1:51 am

I would really love to go to Schiphol someday. It seems like a great airport.

does anyone here ever listen to Schiiphol on atcbox.com?
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kaitak
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RE: I Love Schiphol!

Mon Dec 02, 2002 3:13 am

You're right, LJ, no KE today. Darn! Still, a very good and enjoyable day, although it was coming down in bucketfuls by the time I left, on KL 1021, PH-BXK (738). Nice flight, very punctual. Dep. from 24. Clear weather over London, perfect view of Houses of Westminster, Whitehall and Buckingham P; landed on 27R at 3.50, saw first VS 346; AI 744 passed by on t/o from 27L before we crossed and all in all, a nice evening. Now at LGW, awaiting flight to JER, which apparently will be delayed due to weather there. However, it is a 735 (civilisation has returned, no more RJ100s!)
 
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RE: I Love Schiphol!

Mon Dec 02, 2002 5:19 am

Yes, I have been to many Airports in the world but Schiphol stays nr 1 on
my list  Smile/happy/getting dizzy I was there about 3 hours agon just came from a flight from
Luxembourg in a F-50! Waohhh the weather was bad gusty winds and
some heavy rain it was a bumpy ride but I love this Fokker flights!
Back to the subject, Schiphol is for me the best airport in the world!!!

Greeez
 
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RE: I Love Schiphol!

Mon Dec 02, 2002 5:49 am

Does anyone know if the road along 1L-19R is permanently closed? I was there last May and although it was officially "closed" for construction of the new runway, the gates were open and a few cars were there watching planes. It was a weekend so no construction in progress. It provides great views for arrivals.

The road is not only closed, it's gone.
The road has made way for a new 6 lane (maybe 4) highway that's finishing construction.
Place is gone forever I'm afraid.
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RE: I Love Schiphol!

Mon Dec 02, 2002 6:36 am

Sushka
Interesting link, thanks for the advice!
However I did not manage to listen to ATC on that site...
Could you please explain how you managed? Thanks!

Cschleic
The famous road alongside 01L/19R is gone forever . . . very sad for what was arguebly one of the best spotting spots on the planet  Crying

Check out this pic, it gives you a nice view of 01L and all the work being done to our spotting spot:
http://www.atcbox.com/modules.php?full=1&set_albumName=album05&id=aad&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php
[forgive me the long link, I don't know how to paste the pic into this thread].

The pic is viewing dead straight north.
You can see 01L quite clearly in this pic. To the west [left] of 01L there's a long small water-trench [which runs basically parallel along the full length of the runway] smack-dab in the middle between 01L and the new highway. The last remains of the famous road is being sanwiched by an almost finished section of the west paralel taxiway and this small water-trench. The road is now gone [the pic was taken July 2002].
To the south of the new western-taxiway, you can see new de-icing pads being created, west of the 01L treshold. These de-icing pads will hold four medium aircraft [upto MD-11 I think] or two aircraft 744/380 sized simultaneously / indepently.
The de-icing pads will be connected to taxiway system by a new bypass taxiway which will run from the current 01L holding pad / bridge taxiway [taxiway "South"], around and south of 01L. You can see in the pic that work has already started. This taxiway will dramatically reduce the number of runway crossings. When the new 18/36 runway is operational, it can only be reached by crossing the current 01L/19R. Crossing active runways is a bad idea, and reduces capacity.

Fortunately, there will be a new road running parallel to 01L, albeit west of the new highway, meaning it will be quite far from the runway. I have no idea yet if it will give you any good views. At the moment certainly not, since view is being obstructed by piles of sand for the new highway. However, up north, the highway dives under the new taxiway to the new fifth runway, there should be some decent views. The good thing is that from this spot, you'll be able to see all departing traffic [or arriving traffic, depending on wind conditions] once the new runway is fully operational, either from the current 01L/19R [albeit from a distance] or traffic taxing to/from the fifth runway.

BTW. From beginning of the summer service [30 Mar 2003?], the current 01/19 runways will be re-designated:
01R/19L --> 36R/18L
01L/19R --> 36C/18C
new runway 36L/18R

The new runway, inclusive supporting infrastructure, was finished a couple of days ago [28 Nov]. However it can not be used at the moment since the government was late in accepting new law required to use the new runway.... [we not only need a law to build a runway, we also need another law to use it!?&$@#].
First movements are expected in Mar 03, with full operational status to be reached by Nov 2003. By then, airfield capacity should have increrased to 120-130 movements per hour. No other airport in Europe has more capacity [well maybe CDG...]: AMS will have three independent parallel runways.

Thats all for my little AMS status update for now...maybe I'll add some more info later if I find some time.

Best Regards,
PW100
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RE: I Love Schiphol!

Mon Dec 02, 2002 8:36 am

I love Schiphol also. I love the KLM/NW presence there. It is an absolute awesome airport.
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cschleic
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RE: I Love Schiphol!

Tue Dec 03, 2002 11:26 am

Jwenting and PW100 - Thank you for the updates, and great photo of the work near the runway. That's unfortunate about the road. Hopefully new spots will appear when new roads are finished.
 
ny-jfk-lga
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RE: I Love Schiphol!

Tue Dec 03, 2002 11:37 am

I see someone is a pretty dedicated NW fan here. I love NW too, even though they furloughed me!
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