kj76
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Smoking Onboard

Mon Dec 02, 2002 9:36 pm

Just read Amir's trip-report and I left myself wondering how many airlines allowe smoking?
What about cockpit?
In Amir's report he said that all 3 crewmembers were heavy smokers...?!?!
As a " marlboro-man " I am very curious to know.
Anyone have more details?

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Rick767
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RE: Smoking Onboard

Mon Dec 02, 2002 9:39 pm

In common with all British airlines I know of, there is no smoking anywhere on the aircraft and that includes the flightdeck.

An Air 2000 Captain was recently disciplined for this if I recall.
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Going64
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RE: Smoking Onboard

Mon Dec 02, 2002 10:19 pm

afaik Air Holland has designated the last rows for smoking (at least it was in October this year).
 
Joni
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RE: Smoking Onboard

Mon Dec 02, 2002 11:00 pm


Airlines could perhaps install a small plexiglass room somewhere in the plane, where smokers can go for a puff.

 
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RE: Smoking Onboard

Mon Dec 02, 2002 11:56 pm

I know Air France used to allow smoking fom the US only after reaching international waters and only at designated times in an area by the restroom seperated from the main cabin by a curtain with very stong exhaust fans. HOWEVER, from Paris smoking was allowed within the aircraft after takeoff until before landing. I do not know if this is still the case

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RE: Smoking Onboard

Mon Dec 02, 2002 11:59 pm

I saw these Air France "smoking bars" on a flight from CDG to SFO two years ago but unfortunately they were closed. The last flight where I was allowed to smoke was a LTU charter flight from Greece to Germany back in 1993.

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swissgabe
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RE: Smoking Onboard

Tue Dec 03, 2002 12:22 am

Even Arab airlines, such as KU, SV etc stopped allowing smoking aboard.

When I flew DAC-RUH with Saudi Arabian Airlines, the Gate Agents collected cigarette boxes from all the Bangladeshi people that they are not going to smoke aboard the aircraft. Even Biman Bangladesh is non smoking.

One of the only carriers where smoking is still allowed on some routes could be Aeroflot.

No secret, that with most airlines, the cockpit crew smokes (if they are smoker) ...
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RE: Smoking Onboard

Tue Dec 03, 2002 12:28 am

I'm trying to give up at the mo, not doing a very good job unfortunately. That said, the patches work really well and I'm surprised how little smoking even occurs to me when I'm wearing one. (Trouble is I'm also trying to give up weed and I take the patch off before dinner and after my meal I smoke a fat one. Eventually I'll break both habits but I'm starting with the 20 Marlboro Lights I would ordinarily smoke in the daytime.)

Since most air rage incidents are smoking-related (or more concisely, NON SMOKING related), airlines should hand them out cos they really make a big difference. Plus most smokers want to stop and many may not have tried patches, and trying it on a plane and finding how effective they are would be great advertising for the patch people. Chances are if the airline made the right approach to the patch people they could get the patches for free, or even get some £££s as well.
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il75
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RE: Smoking Onboard

Tue Dec 03, 2002 12:34 am

Call it my imagination... But during a recent transatlantic Iberia flight I could smell smoking. Just a little bit, but enough. I got the impression it came through the ventilation system.
I said to myself "someone is smoking in here".
When I later commented this in Madrid, my friends laughed and said: "The pilots!" "The crew!".

I don't know what to believe.

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RE: Smoking Onboard

Tue Dec 03, 2002 12:37 am

From what I remember Srilankan airlines has a non smoking policy EXCEPT on flights to Japan!!
I think BA had a similar policy too in the past?....

I remember my Dad complaining about that fact when he flew to NRT, although this was last year, I am not sure if the policy has been changed now.

I personally would like to see smoking banned on all flights !

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RE: Smoking Onboard

Tue Dec 03, 2002 8:54 am

I beleive Philippine Airlines atill allows smoking on certain flights. Not to and from the US however.
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RE: Smoking Onboard

Tue Dec 03, 2002 10:27 am

Trickijedi,

I can understand that since Lucio Tan owns both PAL and Fortune Tobacco Company.
 
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RE: Smoking Onboard

Tue Dec 03, 2002 10:40 am

Watching this picture I assume that in Iberia it is allowed to smoke in the cockpit.
Can you find the cigarettes.


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RE: Smoking Onboard

Tue Dec 03, 2002 12:46 pm

Shortfinals,

Yes, that's right! I completely forgot that he also owns a tobacco company. I didn't think of it in those terms - I just remember reading that there were still some select smoking flights on PAL's website.

It it weren't for FAA regs I'm sure Tan would still allow smoking on all flights.  Smile
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RE: Smoking Onboard

Tue Dec 03, 2002 1:57 pm

I could be wrong but I was under the impression that smoking on the flight deck was exempted from the DOT ban due to "crew attention issues". Afterall, if the US Surgeon General has gone on record stating that nicotine addiction is stronger than heroin addiction - I sure as hell wouldn't want some cold-turkey heroin addict going through withdrawal symptoms on a low-minimums approach - so why would I want a cold-turkey nicotine addict going through withdrawal symptoms on that same approach. Just my $0.02 worth!

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RE: Smoking Onboard

Tue Dec 03, 2002 2:35 pm

I think it is really unfair and unecesarry how airlines....now from the world over...have enforced this blanket non-smoking policy.On my last smoking flight onboard an Emirates B772 from DXB to KHI....i noticed how the good ventilation on the plane immediately sucked in all the smoke from our rows....our last 3 rows or so were smoking in the Business class section and i remember walking around that section while others smoked and there really wasnt any smell or smoke because of the effecient ventilation system...dam it feels good to light up in the sky after a good meal with the seat all the way back !!!!!!! Ofcourse EK is no longer a smoking airline and in the last year or so Kuwait Airways,PIA,Gulf Air and Saudi Arabian have all become non-smoking now( atleast i have the memory to have smoked in all those airlines!)  Smokin cool  Smokin cool  Smokin cool  Smokin cool  Smokin cool
 
kj76
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RE: Smoking Onboard

Tue Dec 03, 2002 4:17 pm

I am amazed that pilots smoke in the cockpit...well...if it was my profession I'd propably light it up too!
I thought Aeroflot banned smoking earlier this year?!
I was about a month ago in St. Petersburg and there locals smoked everywhere!
It was weird at first but as a marlboroman didn't take long to adjust...

BTW Finnair banned smoking about 5 years ago.

cheers,

kj76

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RE: Smoking Onboard

Tue Dec 03, 2002 11:39 pm


In my opinion, Iberia holds tight to its non-smoking policy. On a B752 flight from FCO to MAD, the other week, someone lit up in the lav, and the CSD delivered a special announcement reminding the pax that smoking on board (inc. the lavs.) was not allowed and warning that should someone be caught smoking again, a police report would be lodged upon landing. It is therefore rather concerning that IB pilots light up so easily then.

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RE: Smoking Onboard

Wed Dec 04, 2002 1:37 am

our last 3 rows or so were smoking in the Business class section and i remember walking around that section while others smoked and there really wasnt any smell or smoke because of the effecient ventilation system

This was obviously written by a smoker whose sense of smell is shot.
 
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RE: Smoking Onboard

Wed Dec 04, 2002 1:53 am

"Airlines could perhaps install a small plexiglass room somewhere in the plane, where smokers can go for a puff. "

Yes,
outside the A/C attached to a rope.


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RE: Smoking Onboard

Wed Dec 04, 2002 7:30 am

>>our last 3 rows or so were smoking in the Business class section and i >>remember walking around that section while others smoked and there really >>wasnt any smell or smoke because of the effecient ventilation system

>This was obviously written by a smoker whose sense of smell is shot.

Amen! Even if the ventilation system sucks up the smoke, where do you think that air goes? Right back up front to us!!! Smoking airplanes reak! I can get into anyone's car or apartment and tell immediately if they smoke.

I believe in an individuals right to smoke in their own home (if they cover the the increased cost of their medical care, which they don't), but enclosed public areas are NOT the place for it. Planes are worst of all. Gallons and gallons of fuel and hot embers are a recipe for disaster.

 
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RE: Smoking Onboard

Wed Dec 04, 2002 8:24 am

HOWEVER, from Paris smoking was allowed within the aircraft after takeoff until before landing. I do not know if this is still the case

Nope, not anymore. Was on AF a summer ago in Business and the flight attendant came by and offered nicotine gum to all the passengers in business class...most of them being french.
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RE: Smoking Onboard

Wed Dec 04, 2002 10:49 am

In the 70s wasn't there an in-flight fire with a lot of fatalities that was caused by a burning cigarette tossed in a lavatory trash can? Another reason to ban smoking. I think it was in a DC8 or 707 or similar size aircraft. And I believe it was Air France! When will they learn...
 
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RE: Smoking Onboard

Wed Dec 04, 2002 2:10 pm

Ohh come on guys ....smoking isnt that bad after all if it is confined only to a certain limited place in the plane......
 
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RE: Smoking Onboard

Wed Dec 04, 2002 2:18 pm

I used to smoke, but have been quit for 6 years. When I think back to being able to smoke on the plane, it seems so odd. By the time we got to where we were going, the ashtray beside me was full, butts everywhere... seems a million years ago

Jeremy
 
kj76
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RE: Smoking Onboard

Wed Dec 04, 2002 2:44 pm

Take it easy!
Didn't want to start a riot here...
Is it stupid to smoke?
Is it expensive and dangerous?

Yes!
But this thread was about is there any airlines that you are still able to smoke?

Cheers,

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Ps. Jeremy i think you are a tough guy for quitting! I really respect that!
 
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RE: Smoking Onboard

Wed Dec 04, 2002 10:12 pm

This might be my personal agenda speaking but I simply don't understand what all the fuss about smoking is. Here in Malta, even though the amount of non-smoking areas is always increasing, smoking is so common that one simply cannot avoid cigarette smoke. And guess what, one gets used to it.
What's the big deal about someone lighting up inside an aircraft? It's not going to kill you. And if you're so concerned about air pollution, well maybe we should ban all cars, ships and aircraft then... basically anything with an engine. They create a lot more pollutant gases than a few people smoking in an airliner.
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kj76
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RE: Smoking Onboard

Thu Dec 05, 2002 4:11 pm

Well we all know that no airline will not allowe smoking in the future.
I still wonder about Aeroflot;do they still have smoking flights?
Domestic or international?!?

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RE: Smoking Onboard

Thu Dec 05, 2002 4:23 pm

My friend is a C/A for Korean and she tells me the crews sometimes have a puff in the back of the cabin or the galley with the curtains closed.
 
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RE: Smoking Onboard

Thu Dec 05, 2002 4:39 pm

Its not air pollution that people object to... its serious health risk.

I also find smoke disgusting, and I have some severe reactions to it. My one encounter with a cigarette a long time ago put me in the hospital for a while.

Its made most evident when I visit California and go to clubs there... when leaving the club I feel much, much better and don't smell like I do when I leave a club in DC or New York, for example.

Anyway.... $.02

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RE: Smoking Onboard

Thu Dec 05, 2002 9:37 pm

For the record: I have been on numerous smoking flights (I´d guess half of my total flights), the last time March this year. Oh, and I´m a non smoker, and a pretty sensible one.

For passenger comfort, smoking is not a real disturbing factor. One does not really notice the smoke in the back.

I am for a complete ban for three other reasons, though:

- a smoke free working place for the steward(esse)s: unlike me, a passenger in the non smoking section, they´ll have no choice but enter the smoking area. The less second hand smoke they get, the less they´ll be sick, saving the airline money and making my ticket cheaper

- cleaning costs, for which I pay too.

- safety

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il75
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RE: Smoking Onboard

Thu Dec 05, 2002 10:22 pm

I still smoke occasionally and I certainly smoked on flight at those times it was allowed (specially after a good meal during long flights across the Atlantic).

But I remember it was not that good. I was a heavy smoker then but my recollection is that smoking during a flight didn't tasted as usual. The cigarette burned faster and it was like if something in the air was spoiling the usual taste, the feeling you got from the cigarette.

Could it be related to the air in the cabin (or just the angry looks of non-smokers sitting around me Smile/happy/getting dizzy )?

And as Artsyman puts it, the whole thing of smoking in a plane seems really odd to me today.


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RE: Smoking Onboard

Thu Dec 05, 2002 10:37 pm

Srilankan_340
It's already some time ago since all SriLankan flights are non-smoking without any exception (Japan).
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kj76
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RE: Smoking Onboard

Mon Dec 09, 2002 9:58 pm

Just came across this picture and it shows that in Germany or at least on AirBerlin it is still allowed to smoke onboard.


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Do charter airlines have same smoking policy that major carriers have?

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RE: Smoking Onboard

Tue Dec 10, 2002 1:58 am

OLYMPIC AIRWAYS OF GREECE IS THE MOST SMOKEY AIRLINE I HAVE EVER BEEN ON. Smoking was banned from Olympic only a few months ago, however there is always FA's and Pilots smoking either on the flight deck or in the jumpseats. I even observed once in Olympic, that all cabin attendents were taking turns entering the flight deck with the following items in hand,
1. PACK OF SMOKES
2.THROW UP BAG (AS ASHTRAY)
3.BOTTLE OF WATER

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RE: Smoking Onboard

Wed Dec 11, 2002 3:35 am

Hello guys,

I've an idea (I don't miss smoking on flights shorter than 3 hours and I understand why it's banned on smaller aircraft, say regional jets or turboprops)
we could astablish Smoking Air or Air Fumeur - I would expect espacially on long haul routes a lot of potenial pax (me too  Smile/happy/getting dizzy )

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Jumbolino.

who is working on the color-scheme of her (my) potenially airline  Wink/being sarcastic
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kj76
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RE: Smoking Onboard

Wed Dec 11, 2002 3:34 pm

Nice idea!
Fleet would be nice in "SmokingAir". It would have only B773's and they would be coloured depending on the sponsor.
B773 would look nice in Marlboro colours huh??!!

kj76

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Jumbolino
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RE: Smoking Onboard

Fri Dec 13, 2002 1:17 am

Yeah, Marlboro colors are ok, I used to smoke Marlboro 100 a time ago, but changed to "Gauloises blones avac filtre" because during working hours Marlboro 100's are a waste of money and the normal (short) red Marlboro are too much parfumed in my mind.

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RE: Smoking Onboard

Fri Dec 13, 2002 1:18 am

Yeah, Marlboro colors are ok, I used to smoke Marlboro 100 a time ago, but changed to "Gauloises blones avac filtre" because during working hours Marlboro 100's are a waste of money and the normal (short) red Marlboro are too much parfumed in my mind.

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RE: Smoking Onboard

Fri Dec 13, 2002 5:56 am

773? Eeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww...
Can't you guys at least choose a decent plane?
Oh and if you want to fly to Malta, you'd have to use a Rothmans livery on the plane  Laugh out loud
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RE: Smoking Onboard

Fri Dec 13, 2002 6:33 am


Last year, Condor still allowed smoking on board. Towards the end of September of this year, I flew Condor again, to Malta from MUC, and I did not check out if smoking was allowed on board. If Condor allows it, I think the Condor flights are enough.

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RE: Smoking Onboard

Fri Dec 13, 2002 12:02 pm

If there's three completely useless things in this world, it's Lawyers, Critics(am I criticizing), and smokers rights. I would like to designate the area under the fuselage for the smoking area during flights, and thank-you for recognizing my right for clean air. The recirculated air in the aircraft is already bad enough, don't make it worse.

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