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Is 717 A Regional Jet?

Thu Dec 05, 2002 4:26 am

I saw an advertisement showcasing some of the best or widely used regional aircraft including commuters and such which also included a picture of a Boeing 717. Why?

Furthermore, when is a plane considered regional? (Note: I may have asked that question before a while back...don't remember though)
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RE: Is 717 A Regional Jet?

Thu Dec 05, 2002 4:32 am

Difficult to say. I would actually classify the B717-200 as "RA" = Regional Airliner. Aimed at regional routes but above Regional Jet standart. Into this group the EMB-170/175/190/195 and the FA7 and FA9 belong, too.

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RE: Is 717 A Regional Jet?

Thu Dec 05, 2002 4:33 am

I do not know exactly, but I think that describes the 100-seat market. I have heard the older DC-9 Series 10 be called a regional jet before, even though I honestly do not think it is.
 
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RE: Is 717 A Regional Jet?

Thu Dec 05, 2002 4:57 am

Regional Airliner, thats the perfect name I think. Its an airliner who is flying on regional routes, who can be handled at small airports etc.....
 
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RE: Is 717 A Regional Jet?

Thu Dec 05, 2002 5:05 am

If a rule is made without regards to a particular size just operation, then they must apply to all aircraft!

So if a very large aircraft (your choice) happens to be "flying on regional routes, who can be handled at small airports etc.....", is it still a regional airliner?

I see a double standard.
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RE: Is 717 A Regional Jet?

Thu Dec 05, 2002 5:29 am

One could make an argument both ways.
I myself don't think the 717 is a regional jet. At its maximum passenger occupancy, it can take over 100 ppl, that's my first reason. Secondly, it can fly quite a distance. I would put it in the same category as A319/320, MD-80 and 737-300/400/500
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RE: Is 717 A Regional Jet?

Thu Dec 05, 2002 5:59 am

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RE: Is 717 A Regional Jet?

Thu Dec 05, 2002 7:24 am

Same thing applies for the RJ100-Bae 146-300 it can hold well over 100 passengers in a 1 class 6 abreast config. but is it RJ yes because of the type of routes they normally fly. The 717 and RJ100 are because of range, the fulfill a Niche along with the Fokker 100.
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RE: Is 717 A Regional Jet?

Thu Dec 05, 2002 7:33 am

This is a difficult question. Whenever I am asked this question, I immediately think of the DC-9 series (which includes the MD-80 and MD-90) since the 717 is truly a DC-9 series aircraft.

It's design is based entirely on the DC-9 series and was infact considered a shortened MD-90 by McDonnell Douglas before they were bought by Boeing.

Lets not forget that when McDonnell Douglas was still around, it was called the MD-95.

Saying that the 717 is a regional jet is like saying the entire DC-9 series are regional jets. That's how I see it. Some may disagree.

These days, the term "regional jet" is really irrelevant. Regional jets like the CRJ are flying routes that 737s used to operate on and even longer ones. Therefore they aren't so "regional" anymore. They're being used on routes that a regular airliner would fly on.

The 717 really was an aircraft designed to fly routes a 737 would to some extend. The 737 has more range, however there are so many routes 737s fly that a 717 could fly. This is what I believe the 717 was designed for.

While originally true regional jets like the CRJ, Avro RJ100, ERJ-135/140/145 series aircraft were designed to fly routes that turboprops currently fly and slightly longer routes.

However we all know that's changed. We're seeing CRJs cross 2/3 of the United States now.

Simply put, no the 717 is not a regional jet. Just like it's old brother the DC-9-10. I have never ever heard the DC-9-10 being called a regional jet and it isn't classified as one either.

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RE: Is 717 A Regional Jet?

Thu Dec 05, 2002 2:06 pm

That's right i don't think the 717 is a regional jet either. Remember this plane is really an MD-95 and Boeing just renamed it the 717. True none of the DC-9's are classified as regional jets so why the 717?
 
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RE: Is 717 A Regional Jet?

Sat Dec 07, 2002 10:04 am

Just a reminder, the 717-200 is MUCH larger than the DC9-10 was.

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RE: Is 717 A Regional Jet?

Sat Dec 07, 2002 11:35 pm

I think the real question is, are the Bombardier and Embrear aircraft "regional jets"? The only difference between a regional jet and a non regional jet is the label. The so called RJs are being used on long routes that certainly are not regional. On the other hand, some airlines use 757s for flights under 45 minutes, which is certainly regional.
 
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RE: Is 717 A Regional Jet?

Tue Dec 10, 2002 8:00 am

Isn't there also usually a difference in how large a bag you're allowed to carry-on? I'd be curious to know exactly which planes have room for the normal sized bag (same as you'd have on an MD-80, 737, and larger planes) and which don't have as much capacity and make you drop it off by the side of the plane.

 
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RE: Is 717 A Regional Jet?

Wed Dec 11, 2002 8:35 am

The definition of "regional" is never made, but airline management, as well as manufacturers like to use the word "regional", because it gives them an argument to impose lower wages for flight crews.

Regional route :
* Below a certain traffic threshold ? ( Paris-Papeete could become a regional route, although 16 hours flying distance apart )
* Below a certain distance ( miles or minutes ? ) (A Lufthansa A340 flying between FRA and MUC on a Monday morning would be a regional aircraft ?)

Regional airport :
* having less than a certain amount of passengers per year ?
* Having a runway that is less than X meters long ?

The discussion is extensive, but I would prefer to call the Embraer, Canadair and B717 alikes "small jets".

Many "small jets" are not able to fly into airports with relatively short runways, and are often used to increase frequencies on destinations that are already served in Narrow Body equipment, only to attract more high-yield pax.

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