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Star Alliance: Who Will They Pick If UAL Goes?

Thu Dec 05, 2002 11:57 am

Just as the question says... who will be asked to join Star? They MUST ask someone, the alliance simply will not work efficiently without an American partner. AA is tied up with oneworld, DL with Skyteam. That leaves NW/Continental/KLM. US Airways isn't a contender, they don't have the market share.
 
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RE: Star Alliance: Who Will They Pick If UAL Goes?

Thu Dec 05, 2002 12:06 pm

Star won't let UA go. United is possibly the most valuable carrier in Star Alliance or the 2nd most valuable carrier (some will say Lufthansa is #1, I say they're both equally important).

Most likely various Star carriers will help out UA, particularily Air Canada and Lufthansa.
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RE: Star Alliance: Who Will They Pick If UAL Goes?

Thu Dec 05, 2002 12:56 pm

I see an America West 757-200 painted in the new "Star Alliance" livery in the near future...  Big grin
 
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RE: Star Alliance: Who Will They Pick If UAL Goes?

Thu Dec 05, 2002 1:07 pm

What grass do you smoke flyCMH ?
 
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RE: Star Alliance: Who Will They Pick If UAL Goes?

Thu Dec 05, 2002 1:15 pm

There is no airline that can replace UA...NW is attatched to KLM's hip and I don't know if that would sit well wiht LH....CO? Doubt it...
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RE: Star Alliance: Who Will They Pick If UAL Goes?

Thu Dec 05, 2002 2:33 pm

NW is attatched to KLM's hip and I don't know if that would sit well wiht LH....CO? Doubt it...

KLM has lost the court battle with Alitalia. I doubted that KLM will have high interest to join SkyTeam Alliance. If KLM didn't, CO/NW may not do so too.

KLM's dispute with Alitalia is now the problem for Skyteam entry.
 
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RE: Star Alliance: Who Will They Pick If UAL Goes?

Thu Dec 05, 2002 2:35 pm

UA is not going under. So, there is no point in speculating
 
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RE: Star Alliance: Who Will They Pick If UAL Goes?

Thu Dec 05, 2002 2:35 pm

I think USAir. okay, laugh, but I think they have a chance.

US and United were already forging an alliance of their own, and I think that if/when United is removed from the picture, all bets go to Star sticking with their carrier. There has already been talk of US joining Star.

Is that good for US? Oh oh oh yeah. Is that good for Star? Definitely not. With US's small route structure, Star would lose a whole bunch. BUT- with the larger numbers, maybe US could grow (grow into a profit would be a nice start).

Just a thought...
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RE: Star Alliance: Who Will They Pick If UAL Goes?

Thu Dec 05, 2002 4:14 pm

I still believe UA will survive all the struggle. But if not, I wouldn't be surprised to see AA joining Star. AA and BA cannot cooperate as they want to, there's no real partnership between Europe and the US, the most important markets. And a solution is not in sight.
Any other oneworld partner AA has links with can be replaced easily. AA would jump on Star if they got the chance.


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RE: Star Alliance: Who Will They Pick If UAL Goes?

Thu Dec 05, 2002 9:15 pm

Dont think AA would join star cant see it happening. Who would replace Quntas? But then again if they did it would mean KLM,NWA and CO could join oneworld that would be mighty and mabe work out better for oneworld in the long run AA also look as if they are turning into a sinking ship also.
 
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RE: Star Alliance: Who Will They Pick If UAL Goes?

Thu Dec 05, 2002 9:29 pm

Qantas is a big player for oneworld, but AA would prefer a close relationship to a transatlantic partner...transatlantic services are more important to AA than transpacs.


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RE: Star Alliance: Who Will They Pick If UAL Goes?

Thu Dec 05, 2002 10:29 pm

US Airways. PHL could become the major US hub for Star. Lufthansa and Air Canada already fly there, US has flights to manchester to connect with BMI, and flights tso MAD to connect with SpanAir. The only down side is the pacific and south america where US has nothin.

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RE: Star Alliance: Who Will They Pick If UAL Goes?

Thu Dec 05, 2002 10:42 pm

Star will not likely let UA go.
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RE: Star Alliance: Who Will They Pick If UAL Goes?

Fri Dec 06, 2002 1:56 am

well, i really don´t see much of a point of US joining Star if UA didn´t make it.
although PHL is a business center and a hub for US, that´s about the only valuable thing for the other Star airlines. they would only be a suitable feeder for the european Star airlines, and even then not a great one.
i believe if they were a member of Star, and hopefully they will become so in 2003/2004, the greatest benefit is for US itself, since the membership would make it much more attractive to its american customers.

US is certainly a fine airline, but in comparison to UA, their network, domestic and international, and their hub operations are no match. they complement UA´s network nicely, and they would certainly be very welcomed to Star, but as the only american carrier in Star... I have my doubts. especially since US is not the healthiest carrier as well. as much as i can tell from the media, they´re making a lot of progress and i am confident they will succesfully emerge from Chapter 11, but this might still be too risky for Star if there wasn´t UA anymore.

if UA goes out of business, Star has a major problem, no doubt about it. however, i am sure that with the exception of DL and probably NW, every US major (leaving AA and CO) will seriously consider Star.
although i think that Star is getting way too big and thus it may have its flaws, i´m pretty sure that from a business point-of-view, every airline would be licking its fingers if it was member of such a big alliance covering virtually all important business areas in the world, with a lack maybe in the Australasian region, of course.
and although AA has close ties with most of its oneworld members, i tend to agree with Udo. if there is no change to Bermuda II and if AA/BA are not allowed antitrust immunity, their cooperation will always be a shadow of the likes of LH/UA, KL/NW and AF/DL.
and the benefits that IB, AY and EI bring to AA may as easily be provided by SK, bmi, OS, and the tons of other minor and future partners.
so if it wasn´t for a rough transition time, Star is currently more attractive to AA than oneworld, at least on the transatlantic.

I think the only carriers AA would miss would be LA and possibly CX. well, i´m not as familiar with oneworld than I am with Star, so please correct me if i´m wrong. anyway, this is just a personal opinion.

i am not saying that AA would become a member of Star. if UA collapsed i would certainly hope so, but i am pretty sure that it would become at least a scenario which will considered seriously by AA as well as by Star.

again, i am aware that AA has close and valuable links within oneworld. if there will be major changes to the landscape of airline alliances remains on the outcome of the american industry, what happens to UA, US, and possibly even other airlines. and as long as UA keeps flying, all this will remain pure speculations.
everyone´s guesses is as good as mine.

if for instance tomorrow, AA and BA would be allow to codeshare on all transatlantic flights, then AA would be foolish to move away from oneworld... that´s for sure.


still, i would like to invite you to the following thread which is basically about the same issue. there were even faint industry rumors about AA replacing UA...

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/974845

cheers
daniel
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RE: Star Alliance: Who Will They Pick If UAL Goes?

Fri Dec 06, 2002 2:12 am

this is silly. UA may go chap. 11 NOT chap. 7. BIG BIG diffrence. UA will be around even if they go 'bankrupt' don't worry.