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Sad News: 2 Young Stowaways Dead In Wheel Bay

Thu Dec 05, 2002 10:17 pm

Two young stowaways found dead at Heathrow

Two young stowaways were found dead in a wheel compartment of a plane at Heathrow Airport, police said today (Thursday), as authorities tried to identify their bodies.

The boys, thought to be as young as 12, stole aboard a Ghana Airways flight from Ghana's capital, Accra, and were dead when the DC-10 plane landed in Britain on Saturday, police said.

Found by engineer

Scotland Yard said in a statement that the boys, who were found in a wheel compartment of the plane by a ground engineer, were aged between 12 and 14 and believed to be of Ghanaian origin.

"They were casually dressed and were well nourished. We are making inquiries to find out the identity of the boys so their families can be informed and we are talking to the Ghanaian authorities to achieve this," the statement added.


 
crewchief32
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RE: Sad News: 2 Young Stowaways Dead In Wheel Bay

Thu Dec 05, 2002 10:24 pm

When these two kids could go unseen into that wheel compartment then every terrorist could do so (and place a bomb, for example), too. Africa is really the biggest toilet of all places in terms of security........

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RE: Sad News: 2 Young Stowaways Dead In Wheel Bay

Fri Dec 06, 2002 2:21 am

Africa is really the biggest toilet of all places in terms of security........

And yet it is still possible to have £3m armed heists at LHR successfully carried out.....you get my point I hope. Are 'big toilets' normally unsecure places?  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Sad News: 2 Young Stowaways Dead In Wheel Bay

Fri Dec 06, 2002 2:34 am

Armed heists on the planes??!!!
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RE: Sad News: 2 Young Stowaways Dead In Wheel Bay

Fri Dec 06, 2002 3:29 am

The heists were not armed, the robbers posed as staff with inside help, they were recently jailed, I'll go find a link.
 
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RE: Sad News: 2 Young Stowaways Dead In Wheel Bay

Fri Dec 06, 2002 3:37 am

 
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RE: Sad News: 2 Young Stowaways Dead In Wheel Bay

Fri Dec 06, 2002 4:58 am

Thanks GDB. OK, then I guess I missed PRM's point. Not sure how this shows terrorists have similar access to planes at LHR.
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RE: Sad News: 2 Young Stowaways Dead In Wheel Bay

Fri Dec 06, 2002 7:42 am

"Africa is really the biggest toilet of all places in terms of security........"

Keep the tarmac clean! TV reports have already shown journalists faking to be ground crew or airport staff and who passed through every security gates to a plane cockpit: this happenned in Paris, London, Zurich, Brussels and even in your "lovely & secure" Germany!

Not to be ironic but your little green dressed cops couldn't be better than Kenyans against extremists armed with heat-seeker missiles...Think about it!

 
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RE: Sad News: 2 Young Stowaways Dead In Wheel Bay

Fri Dec 06, 2002 8:37 am

has any stowaway climbed into the wheel bay and lived during the flight?
 
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RE: Sad News: 2 Young Stowaways Dead In Wheel Bay

Fri Dec 06, 2002 8:45 am

Is there a way from the wheel bay to the rest of the plane? For in-flight maintenance, for example?

I'm assuming the wheel bay isn't pressurized, is it? If it weren't, that in-flight maintenance wouldn't be possible obviously.

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RE: Sad News: 2 Young Stowaways Dead In Wheel Bay

Fri Dec 06, 2002 8:52 am

I think two got into a similar situation after stowing away on a flight to LHR from Delhi, one died and fell when the gear was lowered, the other amazingly survived.
 
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RE: Sad News: 2 Young Stowaways Dead In Wheel Bay

Fri Dec 06, 2002 9:12 am

Poor kids...
They probably thought it would be the adventure of their lives. But it was the end. Just 12 and 14! Very sad.


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RE: Sad News: 2 Young Stowaways Dead In Wheel Bay

Fri Dec 06, 2002 9:24 am


Perhaps we should all start asking why "Africa is really the biggest toilet of all places in terms of security........"  Angry (Doesn't colonialism and exploitation by any chance cross your mind?) ..and see what WE (YOU & ME) can do for a change.
 
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RE: Sad News: 2 Young Stowaways Dead In Wheel Bay

Fri Dec 06, 2002 9:38 am

Apollo13:

Yes, there have been documented cases of stowaways surviving a trip in the wheel compartment in several cases. I remember one was a case of a man who flew from Trinidad and Tobago (via BWIA) in an L-1011 to Miami a few years ago.

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RE: Sad News: 2 Young Stowaways Dead In Wheel Bay

Fri Dec 06, 2002 9:53 am

I f you think about the wealth of a country and the education then the worst place has to be the USA.

People are still getting guns and knives onto planes even after the 9/11 mess. What happened to that security ??
 
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RE: Sad News: 2 Young Stowaways Dead In Wheel Bay

Fri Dec 06, 2002 10:13 am

I seem to recall a stowaway incident maybe 30 years ago -- a young boy snuck into the wheel well of an Iberia B707 (or DC-8) in Havana, and miraculously survived the flight to Madrid. When the plane touched down, he fell out of the wheel well, and bounced along the runway in a frozen lump.

I'll see if I can find a reference to this.

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RE: Sad News: 2 Young Stowaways Dead In Wheel Bay

Fri Dec 06, 2002 5:02 pm

I'm afraid this is down to ignorance.

Firstly if anyone has seen close up what happens during an undercarriage retraction then you would not want to be anywhere near it no matter how desperate you are.

Then there is the temperature at altitude and the lack of oxygen. I doubt the two boys knew what the conditions would be like and probably thought that it would be no different to jumping on the back of a lorry. In fact I imagine lots of people don't know that the temperature will be in the region of minus 60 at 30 thousand feet and that you get hypoxic above 10 thousand.
 
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RE: Sad News: 2 Young Stowaways Dead In Wheel Bay

Fri Dec 06, 2002 5:03 pm

Very Sad, A DC-10 wheel well is really big ....until the gear comes up! I'm sure it was messy in there....May they rest in peace.
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RE: Sad News: 2 Young Stowaways Dead In Wheel Bay

Fri Dec 06, 2002 10:07 pm

Dc10guy, I have stood on an open gear door at Lufthansa Technik and peered inside an A320 gear bay, it's massive. A few people could fit in there! If you sit inbetween where the wheels retract, you would not have been hit by them.

Imagine the heat coming from the breaks when the gear is retracted, isn't it extremely hot? The A320 gear bays are unpressurized so I doubt anyone would survive a typical flight on one of those. I can assume the same for the DC10! Poor boys.

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RE: Sad News: 2 Young Stowaways Dead In Wheel Bay

Fri Dec 06, 2002 11:11 pm

In the words of the great TV journalist Marvin Zindler: "If you're poor, you die."
 
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RE: Sad News: 2 Young Stowaways Dead In Wheel Bay

Fri Dec 06, 2002 11:15 pm

Didn't Arnold Schwarzenegger (sp?) have a movie where he incapacitated his guard, took the elevator down to the lower-deck galley and from there proceeded to make his way out to a wheelwell and jump out of a Western Airlines DC-10, all during the take-off roll and initial climb? That must mean there is a door from the wheelwells to the cargo compartment of the DC-10 (if Hollywood is correct).
 
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RE: Sad News: 2 Young Stowaways Dead In Wheel Bay

Fri Dec 06, 2002 11:43 pm

Canadi>n,

When has Hollywood ever been correct when it comes to aircraft? or anything else that matter.

I am not familiar with the DC 10 but why would you want a door from the wheel well to the freight bay? Much more sensible to have a door on the side of the aircraft to get the freight / cargo out.

 
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RE: Sad News: 2 Young Stowaways Dead In Wheel Bay

Fri Dec 06, 2002 11:58 pm

It is thought that some of these stowaways had seen these stupid Hoolywood action movies, desperate to get to a first world nation, maybe they got ideas from them.
I read about one case when two Pakistani brothers died, the relatives saying they loved Hollywood action films.
 
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RE: Sad News: 2 Young Stowaways Dead In Wheel Bay

Sat Dec 07, 2002 3:19 am

Imagine the heat coming from the breaks when the gear is retracted, isn't it extremely hot?

I dunno. How hot do they get from taxiing?
 
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RE: Sad News: 2 Young Stowaways Dead In Wheel Bay

Sat Dec 07, 2002 3:28 am

Never in aviation say never, because you will always be wrong.
In fact the old Lockheed Constellation airliner did in fact have a door from the fwd cargo hold into the nose wheel gear bay. This was the method of loading freight into the forward hold, but if the aircraft was unpressurized the door could be opened in flight. It came in quite handy for inspecting the gear in flight if there was indications of something wrong with the nose gear.
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RE: Sad News: 2 Young Stowaways Dead In Wheel Bay

Sat Dec 07, 2002 3:46 am

That's sad to hear. All the same there was a story some 14 years ago of two men from Trinidad who went to Canada in the wheel well of a BWIA TriStar. They climbed into the wheel well when the plane was taxying after climbing over the security fence and actually survived the trip to YYZ - indeed when the plane stopped in Antigua they did not expect it and nearly fell out over the Caribbean Sea but held on for dear life and made it - thus escaping death and detection. In YYZ they were held as they tried to escape from the airport and they then applied for refugee status (at that time a number of Trinidadians tried to move to Canada by claiming refugee status under dubious grounds). I do not know what the outcome was though.

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RE: Sad News: 2 Young Stowaways Dead In Wheel Bay

Sat Dec 07, 2002 3:57 am

May the two unlucky boys rest in peace.  Crying
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