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United Cutbacks @ IAD

Wed Dec 11, 2002 1:06 pm

Today' Washington Post ran an a story about the smallest of the United hubs, my near and dear IAD. UA has 67 flights a dayfrom IAD, and has plans for cut backs. Four of the evening UA flights to Europe are to be axed (I am guessing places like Munich and Zurich are candidates). What carrier, U.S. or from overseas, will take up the slack?
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RE: United Cutbacks @ IAD

Wed Dec 11, 2002 1:23 pm

They beat you to it Stretch
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RE: United Cutbacks @ IAD

Wed Dec 11, 2002 4:38 pm

UA hast stopped flights to Zurich since 3 or 4 years.
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RE: United Cutbacks @ IAD

Wed Dec 11, 2002 6:00 pm

A carrier may not pick up the slack, these days unless the route is extremely profitable other carriers aren't in the situation to be picking up international routes not from hubs. Especially since these intl routes probably depend somewhat on connections
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RE: United Cutbacks @ IAD

Thu Dec 12, 2002 12:23 am

I think IAD will still be a hub for United but not as large as what it has been until now. They'll probably eliminate international flights except IAD-LHR and make of IAD a domestic hub on the East Coast like RDU used to be for American. They may keep, however, their direct flights from IAD to these points in the West Coast:SAN, LAX, SFO and SEA.
Yes, sure, it will still be an international gateway but mostly for foreign carriers. Other Star members such as Lufthansa and Varig will add flights or take over United's international flights to/from IAD. I see IAD as a connecting point in the Star Alliance network, not just United anymore, one would fly for example Lufthansa from FRA to IAD and then connect on United or United Express to an other domestic point on the East Coast. I don't know if Austrian flies to IAD, but as a Star Alliance member, it definitely could.
You won't see a United 747-400 anymore in IAD, the only US airports where you will still see those are LAX and SFO, and maybe ORD only if United continues to fly nonstop from ORD to the Pacific Rim.

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RE: United Cutbacks @ IAD

Thu Dec 12, 2002 12:37 am

Hey Ben,

Austrian is flying to IAD 6 times a week (they dont fly there on Saturday).
United stopped flying 747-400 to IAD two years ago. Ocasionaly they have 744 replacing 777.

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RE: United Cutbacks @ IAD

Thu Dec 12, 2002 1:36 pm

I see 744s in DEN all the time.

And did UA discontinue the RTW service two years ago? I remember seeing a 744 or two there on occasion, that continued from one of the other hubs from Tokyo.

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RE: United Cutbacks @ IAD

Thu Dec 12, 2002 3:55 pm

They had the RTW service going again in 2000 but dropped it again last year. It went LAX-HKG-DEL-LHR-IAD-LAX.

I don't think that Varig would fly to IAD seeing as they are having financial troubles now too, and Untied just started IAD-GRU and IAD-EZE direct flights.

I guess I could see them cutting routes like IAD-AMS, IAD-BRU, IAD-MUC but it seems more likely they'd cut down on capacity on routes like IAD- FRA and IAD-LHR. They have at least two flights a day on each route, which they could possibly cut down to one. AMS seems more likely since they still serve it from ORD. MUC seems likely too because of all the codeshare opportunities. I'd say DUS also but United is like the only carrier to fly there from the US, besides that strange all biz class Lufthansa thing from New York.

It's sad to hear all this happening. I really liked the hub at Dulles, I thought it was well placed and good for transatlantic connections. I hope they'll grow back into it in the future.

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RE: United Cutbacks @ IAD

Thu Dec 12, 2002 11:28 pm

Varig was fllying to IAD for long time. Unfortunately they didnt have much business here and they quit IAD in late 1998.

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RE: United Cutbacks @ IAD

Thu Dec 12, 2002 11:47 pm


UAL has already announced the end of IAD-DUS. Last flight is January 7 or thereabouts.
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RE: United Cutbacks @ IAD

Fri Dec 13, 2002 1:26 am

I think you'll see UA cut the departures that don't fall in a departure bank. For instance, I think IAD-LAX and IAD-SFO will drop to 4 departures a day, with timed departures at 09:00/13:00/17:45/21:15. Probably the same for IAD-BOS.
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