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Thai's GVA Service: How Are They Doing?

Wed Dec 11, 2002 4:23 pm

First of all, I would like to know how they are doing at GVA, their tickets ex-Southeast Asia doesnt seem to be very expensive and I think they are the only SE Asian carrier to GVA notwithstanding the one-stop service at Athens.

Second question is, I saw a pic of HS-TGH B747-4D7 at GVA and the photographer said it was an extension from ZRH. Do they do this for charter or something? Or is it scheduled on their system or only when the loads on their B773 via Athens is exceptional then they add this additional flight via ZRH?

Or is it when they operate via ZRH the flight at Athens do not extend onto GVA?

Thanks for the info...
 
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RE: Thai's GVA Service: How Are They Doing?

Wed Dec 11, 2002 4:49 pm

The Thai flight to GVA is doing very well I think. Sometimes, there are two Thai Airways plane at Geneva at the same time:one flying BKK-ATH-GVA another one flying BKK-ZRH-GVA.
The Flight via Zurich is an extension when the flight via ATH is fully booked.
Thai Airways is considering a new route for next year: BKK-GVA-JFK but it hasn't been confirmed yet.
 
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RE: Thai's GVA Service: How Are They Doing?

Wed Dec 11, 2002 6:25 pm

The route is doing very well - within the first week the planes were so full that a second plane (usually a 747-400) is sent to pick up the extra passengers.

I'm still waiting to see a Royal Barge 747 in Geneva  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Thai's GVA Service: How Are They Doing?

Wed Dec 11, 2002 7:53 pm

Wow wow wow...Thai's flying high iver Europe again....
 
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RE: Thai's GVA Service: How Are They Doing?

Wed Dec 11, 2002 11:45 pm

However, in fact, the reason why a 744 is sent to GVA on 7DEC and 14DEC is for a Royal flight. A Thai princess is currently visiting Switzerland. TG946/947 is operated by 773 and has no Royal First Class cabin.
 
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RE: Thai's GVA Service: How Are They Doing?

Thu Dec 12, 2002 5:30 pm

I spoke to a friend of mine yesterday, one of the members of DPTS Association, who is working at GVA airport. I actually got the exact load figures of the 18 flights performed so far, and it hasn't performed as good as every one seems to think. The average inbound pax is 67 per flight and outbound 77 pax per flight.

The reason that the ZRH flight has been extended is, as Spk said, that a Thai princess has been visiting GVA and no First class offered on 773.

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RE: Thai's GVA Service: How Are They Doing?

Fri Dec 13, 2002 12:23 am

But remember that the load factor may be as good as it gets. That's because this flight is an extension from ATH and THAI has no 5th freedom right to carry passengers between ATH and GVA. Therefore, the plane can take off from GVA with only 76 pax but get jam packed from ATH onward to BKK. I tried to book the flight on various dates and its sold out on many dates.
 
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RE: Thai's GVA Service: How Are They Doing?

Fri Dec 13, 2002 12:50 am

Spk
still I think that an average pax number of ib 67/ ob 77 is not that much. Bearing in mind that CH is a high yield market.
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RE: Thai's GVA Service: How Are They Doing?

Fri Dec 13, 2002 3:45 am

@ Spk:

I realize that Thai doesn't have 5th freedom rights, but if the plane is packed from ATH, it means that the market is in ATH, not GVA. On the flights to and from GVA you see how many people who travel too BKK and these numbers are not very impressive. The load figures to GVA might not justify the extension from ATH, but I suppose the yield might.

@ TF-FIW:

As I pointed out, I got the figures from a friend, but I'll see if he can supply us with further info  Smile I suppose that you can find the configuration on Thai's website.

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RE: Thai's GVA Service: How Are They Doing?

Fri Dec 13, 2002 4:01 am

TF-FIW and GOT,

What is the source of those figures? From Swiss sourced information (TI), passenger loads to/from GVA are in the 140 range.

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RE: Thai's GVA Service: How Are They Doing?

Fri Dec 13, 2002 6:20 am

@Teahan:

You can be sure that the figures I posted are correct. They are taken straight from the airport stats system at GVA airport. The 140 you mansion must be on a specific flight.
OTOH, today's flight carried 155 pax outbound from GVA, but it's the average that matters.

@ Spk:

The figures for economy/business are only available on the day of operation, the airport stats system only present the number of pax, no breakdown between classes.

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RE: Thai's GVA Service: How Are They Doing?

Sat Dec 14, 2002 1:05 am

GOT,

My point is, there may be more demand for GVA-BKK flight but THAI must turn the passengers away and can only sell 76 seats since all other seats have been booked ATH-BKK.

That's my speculation.

Supak