flyingbronco05
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Virgin Blue Says Boeing In The Lead

Thu Dec 12, 2002 3:00 pm

Virgin Blue: Boeing Has Inside Running On Fleet Upgrade

""Boeing has got the inside running," Godfrey said, but added Airbus ( F.ABI) is still a candidate.

"We are very very close to it (a decision)," he said. The outcome might be known before Christmas, Godfrey said."

More at: http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/021211/1954000956_2.html
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United777
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RE: Virgin Blue Says Boeing In The Lead

Thu Dec 12, 2002 3:38 pm

The 737 series is a good fit for all of Virgin Blue routes. I wonder if they will order the 737-900 for there proposed new flights to international cities?
 
gigneil
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RE: Virgin Blue Says Boeing In The Lead

Thu Dec 12, 2002 3:44 pm

With the 737-900s substantially shorter range, I don't know how many of those destinations it can reach.

It'll be sad if they select the 737... there won't be anyone left operating the A320 in Australia until Air NZ gets theirs.

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thadocta
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RE: Virgin Blue Says Boeing In The Lead

Thu Dec 12, 2002 3:46 pm

With all due respect, this is a no-brainer. The 737 family has all the advantages of the A320 family, and both will fit Vermin Blue's needs admirably.

Where Boeing has the advantage (as far as Vermin Blue is concerned) is that Vermin Blue already operates a large (by S.E. Asia and Pacific standards) fleet of 737NG aircraft, so they already have tech crew and engineering staff qualified in this type, and as a result training for a new type is not an issue.

That Brett Goofy could even make statements that "Airbus has a chance" is ludicrous, when you consider that they held out on moving to T2 at YSSY because of cost issues. Considering this, they WON'T introduce a completely new type with all the costs that that entails.

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United777
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RE: Virgin Blue Says Boeing In The Lead

Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:01 pm

How will Virgin Blue do with Australia's other new airline, Australian Airlines launching new routes to same destinations as Virgin Blue?

I would rather fly a 763 than any 737.
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Says Boeing In The Lead

Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:39 pm

EasyJet did the same thing and then went to Airbus.

Me thinks it's a way to get Airbus to offer a cheaper deal and then go for either Boeing and Airbus at a cheaper price than what they're both offering now.
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RE: Virgin Blue Says Boeing In The Lead

Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:52 pm

Virgin Blue has less money and Airbus needs them less. It is different circumstances.

Never use the Easyjet deal to analyze another deal.
 
rabenschlag
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RE: Virgin Blue Says Boeing In The Lead

Thu Dec 12, 2002 5:23 pm

because there is less presence of european products in australia, the european union will probably decide to dump the price of the airbuses so much that virgin blue cant resist.
 
RickB
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RE: Virgin Blue Says Boeing In The Lead

Thu Dec 12, 2002 8:07 pm

Maybe Boeing are offering 'the deal that can't be refused' in this case !!

You never know !!!

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RayChuang
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RE: Virgin Blue Says Boeing In The Lead

Thu Dec 12, 2002 10:01 pm

I think Virgin Blue will get the 737NG's.

The reason is simple: they can get the planes fairly quickly, given all the recent airline deferrments for 737NG's.

Besides, I believe the winglet-equipped 737-800 has a range of over 3,000 nautical miles, perfect for Australian transcon flights.
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Says Boeing In The Lead

Thu Dec 12, 2002 10:58 pm

Branson has stated publicly that unless there is significant difference in operating cost, he would not move from the current fleet strategy.

I guess Airbus would have to dig fairly deep.

I doubt Boeing will let this one go, however...

How many airframes are we talking about?
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Says Boeing In The Lead

Thu Dec 12, 2002 11:20 pm

Let's just hope, Boeing will have this order. Afterall, if airbus keeps booking sucesses like it recently did, airports wouldn't offer such a great variety for planespotters anymore in a few years.
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RE: Virgin Blue Says Boeing In The Lead

Fri Dec 13, 2002 5:09 am

I would hardly call the Easyjet Deal a succes, its like saying that selling a new mercedes S600 for 15000 bucks and including the chofer is a succes. they gave away those planes, they arent going to earn a penney from this order.
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thadocta
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RE: Virgin Blue Says Boeing In The Lead

Fri Dec 13, 2002 10:22 am

United777 - Australian Airlines is an international carrier serving routes which Qantas found to be unprofitable. They do not compete head to head with Vermin Blue.

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RE: Virgin Blue Says Boeing In The Lead

Fri Dec 13, 2002 12:26 pm

There is something to be said for selling at cost price at the moment.

If Boeing and Airbus have to reduce production numbers due to lack of orders they have to either reduce staff or suffer from higher unit cost prices,ie the planes cost more to make.

If you can sell a large bunch(such as EZY order)then you don't have to reduce the current production levels, so the cost of each unit remains the same.

OK,you won't make as much money(if any in some cases),but at least the production lines are kept running at the optimum levels.

In addition,airlines will need spare parts,thats where you can recoup some of the money.

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RE: Virgin Blue Says Boeing In The Lead

Fri Dec 13, 2002 10:49 pm

Could this just be a ploy from Virgin to try and scare Airbus into dropping their price further? Or will Airbus not want to get down to the sort of prices they would have offered EasyJet because of the size of the order?