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Type Of L1011s Delta Used On ATL-HNL Nonstop

Fri Dec 13, 2002 11:59 pm

What series of the tristar flew Delta's ATL-HNL nonstop? I'm assuming either the -500 or -250 series. Thanks to anyone who can clarify.
 
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RE: Type Of L1011s Delta Used On ATL-HNL Nonstop

Sat Dec 14, 2002 12:12 am

There is one pic in the database of ship N736DY in HNL with a caption that it is headed to ATL. This picture was taken in 1999 and it is a L1011-1-15(250).

There is also a pic of ship N741DA taken in 2001 in HNL which is also a 250.
 
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RE: Type Of L1011s Delta Used On ATL-HNL Nonstop

Sat Dec 14, 2002 12:42 am

I thought that most flights to HNL from ATL were routed, ATL-DFW-HNL, correct me if I'm wrong though.

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RE: Type Of L1011s Delta Used On ATL-HNL Nonstop

Sat Dec 14, 2002 1:15 am

A few years back, I asked my grandad to buy tickets for me to fly from ATL to HNL with Delta, but he could only find me a flight that goes via SFO. Does anyone know when the nonstop service started/finished?
 
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RE: Type Of L1011s Delta Used On ATL-HNL Nonstop

Sat Dec 14, 2002 1:44 am

I think the ATL-HNL nonstop was ended in 2000, with the retirement of the L-1011 from Delta's fleet. Apparently, while technically having the range to make ATL-HNL nonstop, the successor 767-400 would not comply with crew rest requirements for the 8-hour flight. (I don't remember exactly what the issue was, so perhaps someone more knowledgeable could elaborate) In any case, I seem to remember that the routing for the 764 flight went ATL-LAX-HNL, then ATL-DFW-HNL.

I did fly the L-1011 from HNL to ATL in July of 2000, and our craft was a -500. I think they had a -250 going to Dallas at the same time, but I'm not completely certain.
 
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RE: Type Of L1011s Delta Used On ATL-HNL Nonstop

Sat Dec 14, 2002 2:00 am

In a book "Frequent Flyer" author is flying couple of times in the cockpit of Delta's L1011s. Not even once he went to HNL directly. Always with stop at LAX or SFO. Also if I remember, he flown there few times on ships 410 and 418.

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RE: Type Of L1011s Delta Used On ATL-HNL Nonstop

Sat Dec 14, 2002 2:11 am

I believe Delta used both the -250 and -500 series on the nonstop ATL-hnl route but I'm not sure about the -250. The 250 may have only been operated on the HNL/OGG west coast flights. Can somebody confirm this?

If my memory serves me correctly the ATL-HNL route was ended in the spring of 2001 with the retirement of their entire tristar fleet. The main issue with the 764 was crew rest. ALPA said the comfort of the first class seats in the 764 weren't good enough to meet their criteria. This was sort of a kick in the teeth for Delta management as they were expecting to continue ATL-HNL with the 764. It was a huge frequent flier miles drainer that Delta's best customers valued very highly. Management took a lot of heat when they announced that it would not be coming back. They said the cost of changing the first class seat in it's entire fleet could not be justified.

Hope this helps.
 
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RE: Type Of L1011s Delta Used On ATL-HNL Nonstop

Sat Dec 14, 2002 2:55 am

A crew needs to sleep on an 8 hour flight? First class seats not comfy enough for a break? Gotta love the unions...don't get me started.  Smile
 
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RE: Type Of L1011s Delta Used On ATL-HNL Nonstop

Sat Dec 14, 2002 3:45 am

I flew on the ATL-HNL nonstop 11 times roundtrip in 1998, and I clearly remember a -250 at least one of the times.

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RE: Type Of L1011s Delta Used On ATL-HNL Nonstop

Sat Dec 14, 2002 3:47 am

Sometimes a -100 would be used with a fuel stop on the west coast.

When the 767-400's started the route, a tech stop was made in LAX. A crew change, fuel and an abbreviated maintenance check and they were on the way. The big RUMOR about the crew rest issue was that if Delta gave the pilots the room that they wanted, so many seats would have to be removed that the route could not make a profit. Another RUMOR was that the galley space was so limited that there was insufficient room for enough meals/snacks for such a long flight.

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RE: Type Of L1011s Delta Used On ATL-HNL Nonstop

Sat Dec 14, 2002 7:04 am

I seem to remember that the routing for the 764 flight went ATL-LAX-HNL, then ATL-DFW-HNL.

The amended 764ER routing stops in SLC, not DFW.
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RE: Type Of L1011s Delta Used On ATL-HNL Nonstop

Sat Dec 14, 2002 7:17 am

Those of us here in SLC love the "problems" with the 764 first class seat because it gave us a non-stop to HNL that we never had before. Thanks Delta!
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RE: Type Of L1011s Delta Used On ATL-HNL Nonstop

Sat Dec 14, 2002 8:13 am

Back in the days when the -250's and -500's were flying internationally, Ship 724 (-200) would fly ATL-HNL and ship 737 (two class -250) would fly DFW-HNL. Three class L-1011's were rarely used for HNL.
 
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RE: Type Of L1011s Delta Used On ATL-HNL Nonstop

Sat Dec 14, 2002 2:13 pm

BeechStarship,

How often have you operated as crew a 9 hour plus redeye flight leaving at
0100 your body time with your only break a 2/1/2 hr spell in a 'first class seat'

Sitting right next to another passenger and their noises, with the F/A'S tramping up and down the aisle, light's going on and off and a seat that doesn't recline sufficiently to get anything close to flat.

I heartily applaud ALPA'S stance on the inadequate crew rest on Delta's -400's
I only wish we had done the same at Continental I've lost count of the time's I've 'awakened' from my pretzel contorting 'crew rest' seat on the -400 feeling
worse than when I first sat down, to go forward and fly a challenging approach and landing when myself and the other pilot's feel at their worst.

The only satisfactory crew rest area is a real bunk truly separated from the rest of the pax and crew, they don't even give us a f*****g curtain. Try doing this month after month, year after year as you get older it doesn't get easier, this is a serious safety problem and not a 'greedy union issue'

How would you like your surgeon to operate on you after 2hrs 'sleep' in a vibrating broom closet?!
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