Any TWA Aircraft Left?

Sat Dec 14, 2002 9:48 am

I know this has probably been asked a million times, but are there any airplanes with the TWA scheme left, or have all of them been turned into American Airlines aircraft? Also, when will the old TWA planes have American's interior installed? I know they all have MRTC, but I was on an MD80 in October, and it had the TWA interior still in place. Any idea when they will all cross over into complete American outfittings?
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RE: Any TWA Aircraft Left?

Sat Dec 14, 2002 10:44 am

The last TWA paint schemes were on the 767-300's and they left in November.

I would imagine the interiors will be done when the -80's are "Americanized". The cockpit instrumentation, galleys and interiors are due to be changed. That will start in Feb. '03, I believe.TC
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RE: Any TWA Aircraft Left?

Sat Dec 14, 2002 12:00 pm

What I am about to say is based COMPLETELY on speculation... not rumor or fact or anything.

I am betting that the interior switch over may be postponed... those planes fly just fine, so why switch their interiors when it's money spent that you don't have...

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RE: Any TWA Aircraft Left?

Sat Dec 14, 2002 2:01 pm

I will be seeing 6 aircraft in TWA colors tomorrow. Sadly only 1 of them has the full livery, that being the L-049 at the Pima Air Museum. The other 5 are 2 L-1011s and 3 727s at Hamilton Aviation that have the titles removed.

Before you slam me, my answer is accurate. The question was not about operational, revenue producing aircraft.

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RE: Any TWA Aircraft Left?

Sat Dec 14, 2002 2:54 pm

The L-1649G Constellation of the Airline History Museum in Kansas City (actually a converted L-1649H freighter that never really flew for TWA) has been painted in TWA colors with titles for a few years now. The titles used to be "SAC" for "Save-A-Connie", the museum's old name. It has a maximum load of only 12 pax per the FAA and is in excellent condition.

The museum also owns a Martin 404, which I believe also has TWA colors and titles, and a DC-3 in restoration, though it was silver and blue and who knows what colors it might have when finished?

Also, since the ex-TWA overhaul base in Kansas City has all the parts, etc, necessary for renovating the ex-TW MD-80s, why would they postpone conversion? After all, AA now has almost 350 MD-80s, and over 80 of them do not match AA's claim for "more room in coach". They have to adjust them or there could be a false advertising claim against them. They only have to pull a few out at a time, and could do it during the aircraft's C- and D-checks.
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RE: Any TWA Aircraft Left?

Sat Dec 14, 2002 3:42 pm

From what I have heard all 100+ TWA MD-80's have been converted to MRTC. However, these aircraft still have the TWA interiors. Even though all the planes have been repainted we know ways to identify them. On the MD-80's, look for the ex-TWA registration that is unchanged. On the 757's look for the big old Pratt & Whitney engines and again TWA's registration. All ex-TWA aircraft will have a TWA decal mounted just behind the main door on the left side of the plane. This is probably old news for most of you but hope it helps.

RE: Any TWA Aircraft Left?

Sat Dec 14, 2002 3:45 pm

One other way I've noticed on how to identify the ex-Trans World planes (no disrespect) is that they aren't as shiny as the real A"A planes, cause of all the paint being scoured off. I wonder if they can really shine them up to par with the original A"A fleet?

RE: Any TWA Aircraft Left?

Sat Dec 14, 2002 5:08 pm

Didn't AA throw out the MRTC thing? I thought I read they dumped the idea.

Are all the 717s out of service? All thats left are the MD80s and 757s?

Are the ex-TW planes just flying STL routes or can they be found flying from Dallas, Miami, New York or Chicago?

Also, anyone know how many TW employees AA has dumped since they took control of the company?

Also, where is Compton? Is he still with AA?

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RE: Any TWA Aircraft Left?

Sat Dec 14, 2002 10:49 pm

Are all the 717s out of service?

Yep. They've been gone a while now acctually.
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RE: Any TWA Aircraft Left?

Sat Dec 14, 2002 10:57 pm

The only TWA ships still in service are the 103 MD-80s & 27 752s, all with American now. The 717s & 763s are either parked or with other carriers now. A sidenote on past TWA aircrafts, 3 L-1011s are still at Kingman in full titles. However, they were slowly but surely being dismantled. Sad sight indeed. Regards.
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RE: Any TWA Aircraft Left?

Sun Dec 15, 2002 12:52 am

TNNH--I hear Compton is in Florida. AA is trying to improve their operational performance but they have no use for the person who turned TWA's performance around.

Since most TWA employees ended up on the bottom of their respective seniority lists, they are the first to go. I imagine there will only be a handful of agents left at the end of the year. The mechs. are somewhat protected in STL and MCI. Over half the FA's will be gone. Sixty percent of the pilots will be furloughed. At least they can say they worked for American Airlines at some point in their lives. Doesn't that count for something? SadTC
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RE: Any TWA Aircraft Left?

Sun Dec 15, 2002 1:25 am

Another few ways to identify ex-TWA aircraft:

MD-80s, look at the nose, I have found this to be the easiest. The AA ones have a black dot on the radome. The ex-TWA MD-80s do not have that dot.

757s,look at the exit door configuration, the ex-TWA ones are different from AA's.

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RE: Any TWA Aircraft Left?

Sun Dec 15, 2002 1:37 am

Elwood--MCI doesn't have the parts needed to do the cockpit and galley changes. AA ordered the new instrumentation and GFMS' on a schedule to begin in Feb. AA737 has a point--with the cost cutting, why dump a bunch of money into aircraft right now. But the interiors are pretty ratty and the seats in Y are beginning to break down.

They are parking 28 TWA MD80's in July so the rest will have to have the cockpit and galley configs changed.

The crews will start training on AA proceedures in Jan or Feb. and will begin flying AA "S80's" in Mar. Sad TC

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RE: Any TWA Aircraft Left?

Sun Dec 15, 2002 2:18 am

If you do a search you will see some of the ex-TWA 717's already painted and operating in their new carriers livery. I know of a few flying for Quantas link and have pictures on the site. I think there is one or two flying for Bankok that has photos already up also. A pilot friend of mine flying for AA that came from TWA said AA took over TWA's STL- Maui flight and is now operated strictly by AA with AA crew and plane. That and the Honolulu run were his favorite routes to fly when he was on the 767-300. Now he is flying right seat on the MD-80:-( Better than some I guess right!!

RE: Any TWA Aircraft Left?

Sun Dec 15, 2002 4:58 am

Wow. 50% of the FAs gone. 60% of the pilots gone. Most of the ticket agents gone. All of the 717s and 767s gone. No more TWA liveries in service. Terminal 5 closed.

Damn, they really erased the airline. So what did AA get for their purchase? Cheap leases for 757s and MD80s, expensive or cheap employees? Operating leases at STL gates and counters. A maintenance plant in Kansas City.

What of the TWA maintenace overhaul plant at JFK? Whats going on with that?
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RE: Any TWA Aircraft Left?

Sun Dec 15, 2002 5:53 am

TW-airport agents are a different story. Most are still working with AA. While they are the first to go, we haven't seen many invol. layoffs. Lucky to be non-union right now, layoffs are not by senority, but rather by station operational needs--and if a more senior agent gets laid off (whether AA or TW origin)... they can displace a junior agent. Union-like rules without the union dues. These are new rules that started earlier this year---directly from agent interaction teams. Which means, management listened to what agents said, for the most part.
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RE: Any TWA Aircraft Left?

Sun Dec 15, 2002 12:12 pm

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RE: Any TWA Aircraft Left?

Sun Dec 15, 2002 12:34 pm

Air757200--Thanks for the good news. I was told by an agent in IND that they would be the first to lose their jobs. IND flights are still up to normal schedule, I believe.TC
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