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Excelent Article Regarding United Route Changes

Tue Dec 17, 2002 8:49 am

Out of all my years of reading aviation related news in the Denver Post, I have never seen a better, more professional and detailed article than this one in a newspaper. For a newspaper, I am extremely impressed and I'm sure most of you will agree. Remember folks, this is no Wall Street Journal or New York Times. It's the Denver Post.

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E26385%257E1052238,00.html?search=filter

It talks about commen sense things we all know such as a flight not going out full does not necessarily mean it's losing.

It talks also a little bit about the future of the Denver hub. Analysts such as Mike Boyd think United will do very very few cuts at DEN due to the high costs of the facility.

It also talks about the load factors on routes out of DEN.

Wichita is the lowest with a load factor of 54% and Tampa is the highest with a load factor of 90%.



NOTE: Anchorage is only a summer seasonal service operated on an A320. I'm a bit surpried that United didn't upgrade it to a year-round service because I've heard from several that it was a huge money maker for United. Not only were loads high (as you can see on this chart), but yields were also excelent.

Hope you all enjoy and I'm sure you'll like this article.

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RE: Excelent Article Regarding United Route Changes

Tue Dec 17, 2002 10:17 am

I agree with you on the skill of the writer, very fine work.

It is clearly outlined that load factor doesn't equal revenue, and that service won't just be dropped, just trimmed a bit.

Cheers to the Denver Post.

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RE: Excelent Article Regarding United Route Changes

Tue Dec 17, 2002 10:31 am

Maybe I should email the writer congratulating him for such excelent work?

His email is on the top of the article.

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RE: Excelent Article Regarding United Route Changes

Tue Dec 17, 2002 11:46 am

That chart doesn't list any of the internasional routes and I though United had more domestic routes.
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RE: Excelent Article Regarding United Route Change

Tue Dec 17, 2002 11:53 am

>>>That chart doesn't list any of the internasional routes and I though United had more domestic routes.

Since the Denver Post serves only the folks in the Denver area, the writer included only the data relevant to them, and not the international stuff or other domestic city-pairs...
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RE: Excelent Article Regarding United Route Changes

Tue Dec 17, 2002 12:09 pm

Hey BA,

Where did ever you get it from the load factors into DEN hubs by the route changes? I do knew that load factors was doing good at MIA, MCO, TPA, HNL, LAS, ANC. If they are doing very well with filled it up more seat to DEN flight, too and later will ever United planned get new nonstop from FLL-DEN after completion by Spirit Airlines & Frontier Airlines, too. Well, talk ya later!

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RE: Excelent Article Regarding United Route Changes

Tue Dec 17, 2002 1:05 pm

Westjet_8,

The chart only includes some of United's routes from DEN like OPNLguy mentioned.

ScottysAir,

The load factors are right on that chart from the Denver Post article.

Haven't heard of any plans about United starting DEN-FLL. However before 9/11, they were supposidly about to announce DEN-PBI and DEN-RDU.

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RE: Excelent Article Regarding United Route Change

Tue Dec 17, 2002 2:25 pm

I'd fly DEN-RDU occasionally. Currently, I prefer DL just on that one route...

Do you think the load factor to HNL will come down after the daily service begins? I would think so.

I was also interested to read in today's Airways News Online update that Air Wisconsin is launching UA Express service from LA to COS. It didn't indicate if it was seasonal, and they normally do.

It makes me sad to see COS turning into an RJ city.

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RE: Excelent Article Regarding United Route Change

Wed Dec 18, 2002 7:40 am

Do you think the load factor to HNL will come down after the daily service begins? I would think so.

Not necessarily. By the service becoming daily, it becomes a more attractive choice to consumers and thus can boost loads and yields.

The weekend only DEN-HNL service has been doing extremely well and I'm guessing United did an study and saw that making it a daily service can even further strengthen the route.

This is why also airlines operate at least 2 flights a day to destinations when it comes to domestic routes. Usually if a route such as DEN-CMH for example is only served by 1 flight a day, it doesn't do as well as having 2 flights a day since it gives consumers additional choices.

I was also interested to read in today's Airways News Online update that Air Wisconsin is launching UA Express service from LA to COS.

United Express started LAX-COS with 3x daily CRJs this past March. However it's operatinb by Skywest, not Air Wisconsin. Perhaps Air Wisconsin is adding a flight to increase frequency or they are taking over the route from Skywest? I'd be curious to know more about that article.

It makes me sad to see COS turning into an RJ city.

It is indeed sad. Unfortunately this is happening to nearly all cities of it's size and even some larger ones.

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RE: Excelent Article Regarding United Route Change

Wed Dec 18, 2002 8:55 am

It wasn't an article, per se. The section of the weekly Airways News Online between the Industry Updates and the Fleet Updates is all the Route Updates. It shows new and dropped routes on a per airline basis.

Its occasionally confusing, but it shows that either on October 31st, Air Wisconsin added daily service COS-LAX, or that next Oct 31st Air Wisconsin will add COS-LAX. I'd wager on the former.

Indeed, when I review united.com, it now appears there are 3 flights COS-LAX on Dec 18th, for example. 6:30am (AWAC), 1:30pm (SkyWest), and 5:05pm (AWAC). On Dec 19th, however, there only seems to be one AWAC flight back from LAX to COS and its sold out.

It also shows CO adding an extra daily seasonal service IAH-COS. I remember when we also had nonstop COS-EWR once or twice a day.

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RE: Excelent Article Regarding United Route Changes

Wed Dec 18, 2002 9:08 am

COS-EWR was on Western Pacific. If they were still around, then I'm sure the route would still be around.

Supposidly Continental is considering launching COS-EWR. I think it would do well.

IAH-COS changes often throughout the year depending on the season.

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RE: Excelent Article Regarding United Route Change

Wed Dec 18, 2002 9:15 am

BA-

Continental also served COS-EWR. I flew on it several times in 1996. It was a 733. I don't recall the frequencies, but it was a daily route at least.

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RE: Excelent Article Regarding United Route Changes

Wed Dec 18, 2002 9:30 am

Nice to see that the load factor from Columbus to Denver is so high. That route has to be quite a money-maker for United, since they own the route with the only nonstop flights, and usually charge over $300 for an advanced purchase ticket. It would be nice if UAL offered some larger aircraft between CMH and DEN, other than the 737-300/500 and occassional Airbus. However, that probably wouldn't happen unless an other airline would introduce a CMH-DEN flight to incease competition.
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RE: Excelent Article Regarding United Route Changes

Wed Dec 18, 2002 9:34 am

Yes BA, CO added COS-EWR immediately when WP started the route. CO had two daily nonstops, and I took them both. For awhile one of the flights to EWR was a redeye! Naturally that one wasn't real popular so the two flights became morning flights. One that left at around 7:30 am and the other that left around 11:30 am. What was really great was that one of the two flights back to COS left EWR at 8:40 pm. That was wonderful since CO's last EWR-DEN departue is currently at 4:30 pm. CO discontinued COS-EWR the very same day WP discontinued it. It was due to low yields I am pretty sure, not low loads. It seemed to be successful if you just looked at the raw boarding totals.

However given CO's desire to create EWR and IAH into superhubs and the move to catering more to leisure travelers, I think it is only a matter of time before CO reinstates COS-EWR. If anything just to nip at UA's heels in this region.

Speaking of COS and RJs, CO has added frequencies to COS from IAH, but now nearly all the frequencies are RJs. It used to be all mainline. I guess not enough first class pax (non upgraded) to justify having a first class on a mainline aircraft. Low yield market.
 
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RE: Excelent Article Regarding United Route Changes

Wed Dec 18, 2002 9:49 am

When did United decide to make the DEN-HNL service daily? That is great news as I travel to HNL often and i usually end up on NW. Will it still be a 777 or will it be a 767? Great to see it's doing well.

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RE: Excelent Article Regarding United Route Changes

Wed Dec 18, 2002 9:55 am

Kjet12,

Way back in October:
http://www.united.com/press/detail/0,1442,50236-1,00.html

Weekend flights will continue to operate on 2-class 777s. The new weekday flights will operate on 2-class 767-300ERs.

It starts February 14.

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