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Just Another Security Rant

Fri Dec 20, 2002 3:25 am

I'm not a frequent flier, and I usually purchase domestic tickets in the US at the last minute, except for vacations, so my observations probably aren't reflective of typical conditions, but . . . my experience last week on the short one-hour flight from O'Hare to Pittsburgh (and return flight) left me feeling sad, angry, amused and depressed about flying. Sad because, for example, I saw a couple of instances of the proverbial "little old lady" subjected to the search routine, including the shoes-off business.

Angry because the US government is throwing billions of dollars at a problem that requires something more than the shotgun approach of the TSA. Also angry because it feels so reactionary - one guy tries to blow up a plane with explosives in his shoes, so we all have to take off our shoes? Or anyone who buys a ticket at the last minute has to go through two additional layers of screening?

Amused because the TSA officer screening carry-on luggage at ORD didn't know if stainless steel sewing scissors were banned from carry-ons. Really. Also amused because the entire security screening procedure has a Kafkaesque or absurd feel: For example, there were about 6 people working at the CTX machine at Pittsburgh, and they treated each piece of luggage as if it carried diamonds, and at the end one worker ran over with my bag and shouted "Moore OK", and another worker carefully wrote down all relevant information before handing me my ticket, although since he was hard of hearing the first worker had to shout "Moore OK" three times. I wonder when they are going to just start going through the motions?

And finally depressed, because this isn't the way flying used to be, and so I am driving more and flying less, especially on all driving trips under 5 hours.
 
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RE: Just Another Security Rant

Fri Dec 20, 2002 3:42 am

With new leadership, I think we'll find the TSA will begin having a more common-sense approach. Let's hope anyway.
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RE: Just Another Security Rant

Fri Dec 20, 2002 3:53 am

I have advice for you.. Get over it.. It is in the interest of the the public, not just the flying public.. The TSA has been doing great, I never have seen security people smiling and happy and willing to chat for a minute or 2 until the TSA came into the picture. Things are much better now then they were..

Oh- and as for the old lady comment- Age does not mean anything.. They get picked, they get picked.. No one should be excepted from it.. Not even GWB or high gov't members.. PERIOD.. and they are sticking to it..

Thank you TSA!

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RE: Just Another Security Rant

Fri Dec 20, 2002 4:31 am

I have found the new TSA people to be extremely courteous and very informative of what they were doing and why. On my trip out of SEA in Oct,I took my dig camera out of my carry-on before I put it thru, taking the plastic planes that I bought at the Boeing store. The TSA guy was real amused with them. Asking me all about them. I think they are a marked improvement to what we used to have!
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RE: Just Another Security Rant

Fri Dec 20, 2002 5:25 am

"Not even GWB or high gov't members.. PERIOD.. and they are sticking to it.."

When I travel on government orders I am exempt from being checked before boarding and from extra baggage screening. Even on international flights like the ones I took last week coming back from Saudi and Europe. I think in this regard that is a good thing. We go through all the initial screening but open up time for others to be checked.


Of course the security in Europe seemed much tighter to me than in the US, especially the Brits. They even have their own second set of screeners at Frankfurt for their area of the Terminal.

Give the TSA time it will work itself out. I do find the screeners (on average)nicer in North America than overseas.

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RE: Just Another Security Rant

Fri Dec 20, 2002 6:51 am

And then they start with this idiocy:

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/12/19/tsa.screening/

I wonder how much the rate of pilferage will end up going up.
 
tzMSP
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RE: Just Another Security Rant

Fri Dec 20, 2002 10:03 am

Well, I'm not sure if the TSA has plans to implement this at all airports, but at MSP there is no longer random gate screening for every flight.

All passengers must have a boarding pass to clear security (no iteneraries, or receipts... you have to check in, either with the e-ticket machines or a ticket agent.)

The TSA is familiar with all MSP airlines and their markings on boarding passes, so any 'additional' screening is done at the checkpoint (shoes, etc.) A pax will need an ID to check in (it must be valid!) to clear security, and to board an aircraft.

The TSA has eliminated gate screening at MSP, though they are authorised to do random screening on random flights. (This has not occurred to me yet, though, since gate-screening has gone away since 12/4.)

It seems to be working better, accomilishes the same objectives, and makes passengers happier.

I know MSP isn't the only airport. I think DTW now does this. Any others?

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RE: Just Another Security Rant

Fri Dec 20, 2002 10:33 am

All passengers must have a boarding pass to clear security (no iteneraries, or receipts... you have to check in, either with the e-ticket machines or a ticket agent.)

I can see something like this causing major problems for me. I am normally a flyer who likes to check in at the gate since all of my luggage is carry-on. So on a normal basis I show my itin to the security people and proceed on. It's much more convenient. And where there are Self-Check in machines, I use those too. Problem is when I am running late, the Self-check In machines won't process the boarding pass and will tell me to go to the gate. How the hell am I suppose to do that if I need a boarding pass to clear security?

More red tape.
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RE: Just Another Security Rant

Fri Dec 20, 2002 1:56 pm

I don't know what the hiring policy is for TSA, but at DTW they didn't seem to have one. Half of the workers didnt look like they could pass those tests. I think they were way overpaid too for how poorly they worked. I have never seen such long lines.
 
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RE: Just Another Security Rant

Fri Dec 20, 2002 2:02 pm

When I saw the ones that where working at Dutch Harbor Alaska, the first thing that came to my mind was, "Where the hell did they hire these guys".


Then I realized that the King Crab Fishery had just ended and the Canneries had just closed.
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