BeechStarship
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Does Tarom Still Fly Their BAC 1-11s?

Fri Dec 20, 2002 5:22 am

I will be flying to Hungary and Romania this summer, my father's and mother's birthplace, respectively. I haven't been to these countries and look forward to experiencing them.

I'm planning my flights and would love a chance to fly on a BAC 1-11 which I have never flown on. I believe the ones that TAROM has (or had) were kits made in Romania under license/supervision from BAC in the late 80s. Any info on the web out there about Romanian built 1-11s?

Does TAROM still operate them? Airlinerlist.com still lists several 1-11s as current with TAROM but TAROM's website doesn't mention them. I want to fly from Budapest to Bucharest. Any chance of riding on one of these rare birds?
 
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RE: Does Tarom Still Fly Their BAC 1-11s?

Fri Dec 20, 2002 5:29 am

I'm afraid that your chances to find an airline operating BAC 1-11 in Europe nowadays are pretty small...

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connector4you
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RE: Does Tarom Still Fly Their BAC 1-11s?

Fri Dec 20, 2002 6:29 am

Tarom still have a couple of them but doesn't fly them anymore. They are all for sale as we speak. One of those is actually a rare now ROMBAC 1-11 500 built under license at Romaero Bucharest. If you visit Romania and want to now more about it just pay a visit at Bucharest Baneasa City Airport where Romaero has its hangars and you might have the chance to see them on display along with the last Tarom's B707!

 
BeechStarship
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RE: Does Tarom Still Fly Their BAC 1-11s?

Fri Dec 20, 2002 2:16 pm

They retired them already? Those planes weren't that old! Was there something wrong with them, or did the European noise regs do them in?
 
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RE: Does Tarom Still Fly Their BAC 1-11s?

Fri Dec 20, 2002 4:50 pm

Beechstarship:

I do not know how old they were but they sure were loud! I will say that the Tarom Bac 111 was the loudest plane I ever saw/heard when I worked in ZRH.

I am sure that noise was the main reason they were taken out of service.

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connector4you
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RE: Does Tarom Still Fly Their BAC 1-11s?

Fri Dec 20, 2002 5:15 pm

They would probably require a stage 3 Hush Kit in order to fly in Europe(http://www.businessjetservices.com/bjs_hushkit.cfm)

The ROMBAC 1-11 - 525 FT (Romanian Built) was delivered to Tarom in May 1984 and got 11254 hours since new at a total of 6913 cicles. So not to shabby!

All of them were retired by Tarom in the mid 90's.

 
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RE: Does Tarom Still Fly Their BAC 1-11s?

Fri Dec 20, 2002 6:28 pm

There are some flying with Aero Asia in Pakistan, operated by Romanian crews.

I flew Lahore Karachi on one of these birds in 1995. Not a bad flight really, and much cheaper than PIA.
 
BeechStarship
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RE: Does Tarom Still Fly Their BAC 1-11s?

Sat Dec 21, 2002 3:01 am

How far east do the European noise regulations go? Are former Eastern Bloc countries like Romania, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and Poland under these same noise regs? Is it a European Union collaboration or something? I'm surprised these countries would have such strict rules, considering Russia still allows super-loud aircraft. I would think TAROM would use their relatively young 1-11s for inter-Bloc flights.
 
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RE: Does Tarom Still Fly Their BAC 1-11s?

Sat Dec 21, 2002 9:21 am

Are there any BAC 1-11s still flying in Europe? Or anywhere else for that matter?
 
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RE: Does Tarom Still Fly Their BAC 1-11s?

Sat Dec 21, 2002 8:05 pm

the above mentioned http://www.airlinerlist.com lists all TAROM BAC 1-11s withdrawn from use by december 1999. In Europe, only the Romanian charter airlines Romavia and JARO each have two, but they are not seen flying much. In the US, about 15 are used as VIP bizjets. For passenger flights, there are 4 in South Africa with Nationwide, 2 in Guatemala with Tikal Jets. Most 1-11s are in Nigeria but they were grounded after a crash on 4 May 2002, I am not sure if they fly again.
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RE: Does Tarom Still Fly Their BAC 1-11s?

Sun Dec 22, 2002 12:07 am

As MEA 707 notes, Tikal jets have a couple of 1-11, mainly flying the Guatemala City-Flores route.

I saw one (TG-TIF) at Flores ealier this year and it looked in fantastic condition, gleaming in the mid-day sun.

I have very fond memories of flying in the Monarch and Dan Air 1-11's duing the late 70's and early 80's...it was always a treat to walk down those rear steps.

Shame there are now few chances to fly on this excellent a/c, albeit with those rather noisy RR's swung out back.
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RE: Does Tarom Still Fly Their BAC 1-11s?

Sun Dec 22, 2002 12:00 pm

Hungary, Czech Republic and Poland are going to become European Union members in 2004 so I would assume that they have already harmonized their own aircraft noise regulation with the ones adopted by EU.

On the other hand it seems that Romanian airports have no such restrictions or plans to phase-out stage 2 noise aircraft. However Bucharest Otopeni has restricted the civil passenger aircraft categorized as Stage2/Chapter 2 ICAO, Annex 16, since 1 April 2002 in accordance with the Order of the Minister of Transports - RACR - PM no. 9/22 May 2000.
Cargo stage 2 aircraft might still operate at OTP under certain restrictions.

For more info on noise regulation at OTP and TSR see:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/noise/bucharest.html
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/noise/timisoara.html

Conclusion? BeechStarship is right! Under certain restrictions It is still possible to fly a BAC 1-11 or any stage 2 aircraft between points in Romania and Russia. Aeroflot still lands its Tu-145 at OTP while other Romanian based charter operators are still flying a good bunch of BAC/ ROMBAC 1-11 400/500 to various sunny destinations in Spain, Cyprus, Turkey, Marocco, North Africa, etc. I even found out a picture of Romanian based Aerotrans BAC 1-11 taken in Prague earlier this year. Take a look


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Other Romanian current air operators of the BAC/ROMBAC one-eleven series 400/500


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I'm pretty sure that once you get in Bucharest you'll be able to book a BAC 1-11 flight somewhere !