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AirTran Starts BWI-FPO

Sat Dec 21, 2002 7:10 am

AirTran Airways Enhances Grand Bahama Island Service

Daily Nonstop Flight from Baltimore/Washington Begins March 4, 2003


ORLANDO, Fla. --(BUSINESS WIRE)--Dec. 20, 2002--AirTran Airways, a subsidiary of AirTran Holdings, Inc. (NYSE: AAI - News), today announced that effective March 4, 2003, the nation's second largest low-fare airline will add new daily nonstop service between Baltimore/Washington International Airport and Freeport International Airport on Grand Bahama Island. All flights to/from Grand Bahama Island will operate using new Boeing 717 aircraft. This will be the first service linking Grand Bahama Island to the nation's capital.
New daily nonstop service effective March 4, 2003:

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Baltimore/Washington to Grand Bahama Island
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Departs Arrives Stops Equipment
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3:05 p.m. 5:35 p.m. Nonstop Boeing 717
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Grand Bahama Island to Baltimore/Washington
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Departs Arrives Stops Equipment
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11:55 a.m. 2:25 p.m. Nonstop Boeing 717
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"AirTran Airways continues to experience a greater demand for travel to this international destination, known for its beautiful beaches, wonderful weather and hospitality," stated Kevin P. Healy, AirTran Airways' vice president of planning and sales. "This additional route will make the Caribbean more accessible to our Baltimore and Washington customers."


I think AirTran's primary growth over the coming year will be new service between existing stations such as this. CAK-LGA has already been announced.
I work for Southwest, but the views expressed are my own and do not necessarily represent those of Southwest.
 
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RE: AirTran Starts BWI-FPO

Sat Dec 21, 2002 7:49 am

YAY Go AirTran Go! As for AirTran, excellent! Great job AirTran! See ya later!
 
scottysair
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RE: AirTran Starts BWI-FPO

Sat Dec 21, 2002 11:27 am

WHHOOOO HOOOO!!!! GO AirTran GO!!!!!!! This is amazing news for the good customers after complete with ATL-FPO nonstop. This is very good move for AirTran and I do knew with the cities was service to Grand bahamas flight, too.  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: AirTran Starts BWI-FPO

Sat Dec 21, 2002 11:43 am

Good for AirTran, and good for BWI. AirTran's new service is evidence that BWI is holding its own with DCA and IAD on service to the Caribbean in general, and now will have the DC area's second nonstop to the Bahamas. US flies a daily A319 on DCA-NAS; IAD currently does not have service to the Bahamas.

I'd watch for AirTran to start BWI-PBI before too long. It's the only southern Florida destination FL doesn't yet serve from BWI. I would think that BWI-DFW would be a good addition as well; no Wright Amendment at DFW.  Big grin

Jim
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RE: AirTran Starts BWI-FPO

Sat Dec 21, 2002 12:02 pm

What I want to know, Jim, is when will JAX get expanded AirTran service? Currently four DC-9/717 and one CRJ to Atlanta. Or is it that they don't want to mess with Southwest on BWI-JAX? I'm sure any new low fare expansion would do nothing but expand the market and benefit all airlines.
 
bonanzaair
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RE: AirTran Starts BWI-FPO

Sat Dec 21, 2002 2:15 pm

Look for Airtran to Jet Connect Florida. March 4, 2003 Jet Connect flights will be at Pensacola, Tallahassee, Tampa, Miami and Jacksonville. Just connect the dots or stars on their route map.

It's only a matter of time.

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RE: AirTran Starts BWI-FPO

Sat Dec 21, 2002 2:24 pm

What I want to know, Jim, is when will JAX get expanded AirTran service? Currently four DC-9/717 and one CRJ to Atlanta. Or is it that they don't want to mess with Southwest on BWI-JAX? I'm sure any new low fare expansion would do nothing but expand the market and benefit all airlines.

That's a good question....several routes seem possible to me. I would think two or three daily JAX-LGA would do well. People Express used to serve JAX, and JetBlue doesn't today. How dense is JAX-Chicago? UA flies some RJ's, and AA doesn't fly the route. Also, how about JAX-DFW? It would mean tangling with mainline service by both AA and DL, but that hasn't stopped AirTran on other routes.

Has the Jacksonville airport authority inquired with AirTran? What with all of FL's experimenting with point-to-point routes (and their big success on some), JAX seems to me a good candidate. AirTran has an established presence there upon which to build.

How on earth does Delta support *nine* frigging 767's on JAX-ATL per day? Jacksonville has what, 1 million metro? Rochester metro has 1.1 million, and we can barely keep UA mainline service, and are losing AA mainline service to our biggest hub market, ORD. On our biggest O & D market, NYC, only JetBlue even flies mainline planes, and that's 4 A320's.

My hat's off to Jacksonville for this feat!

Jim
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RE: AirTran Starts BWI-FPO

Sat Dec 21, 2002 2:43 pm

Airport authority has made enquiries, but seems more interested in getting another carrier (read: jetBlue). Flying to LGA would put AirTran head-to-head with Delta in yet another market (by way of Comair). Chicago is served by four United Express CRJs daily.... loads are just good enough to keep the service.

JAX-DFW has some O&D traffic.... judging by a 6:30am departure on DFW-JAX by American. AA flies three flights a day (varying F-100/MD-80) and Delta flies a mixture of MD-90/MD-88 currently... last month a B767-200 was on the route.

Delta fills those B767s to Atlanta.... all of them. I believe Atlanta is the number one O&D market for Jacksonville. Delta continues expanding at Jacksonville with CRJ's to DCA (I was on the inaugural last month).

I don't know how JAX does it..... in addition to service discussed above:
Delta flies CVG with MD-88/CRJ (four a day)
American Eagle to Miami with 4 to 5 ATR's a day
American to STL with three daily MD-80
Continental to Houston and Newark with three B737s each a day (one goes ERJ soon though)
United Express to IAD (3x CRJ)
Northwest to MSP (2x A319), MEM (I believe 2x DC-9), DTW (3 or 4x DC-9)
US Airways to PHL, CLT, BWI with a mixture of Airbus and Boeing plus the ERJ to DCA
Southwest flies to ISP/BWI/TPA/FLL/BNA/BHM/IND/MSY/ORF


AirTran's gate was recently moved despite their complaints. Southwest took their former gate as they lost one of theirs to the new security checkpoint for C concourse. AirTran was put in a former US Airways gate.... directions are provided by peeling white electrical tape spelling out the airline name on airport signs. They may get moved again if B concourse receives an expanded checkpoint (currently just has two machines).
 
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RE: AirTran Starts BWI-FPO

Sat Dec 21, 2002 3:10 pm

Don't expect AirTran to expand JAX to anywhere but BWI, maybe, maybe PHL. BWI and ATL are the hubs, and that's where any growth will be.

After all, JAX-DFW is served by FL, via an Atlanta connection. If FL were to add, say, two flights a day from JAX-DFW, it would hurt the ATL-JAX and DFW-ATL routes. Hubs mean efficiency, but unfortunately, some airports get left behind. JAX is one of them.

btw Seiple:

Those routes you mentioned are all hub-routes. Each one of those cities, except USAir BWI, is a hub. Even then, US has major ops in BWI.

Air Tran will continue to grow point-to-point routes, but even Southwest has started hubbing many of its cities.
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RE: AirTran Starts BWI-FPO

Sat Dec 21, 2002 11:54 pm

Should be interesting to see how Southwest reacts to Airtran continuing to build up the BWI hub. Southwest, has announced several new flts at BWI over the next few months, should be interesting to see if Southwest tries to directly compete with Airtran on some certain routes to drive Airtran back.
 
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RE: AirTran Starts BWI-FPO

Sun Dec 22, 2002 12:14 am

Well, This is good news. Why don't they start BWI-GPT now. I'd like to fly up there... Well, if that 30 minute rule is still in effect, maybe not.
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RE: AirTran Starts BWI-FPO

Sun Dec 22, 2002 12:15 am

I think Airtran is going to keep trying to tip toe around WN and avoid a confrontation. Airtran is doing ok, but picking a big fight with WN right now would be costly. There are enough markets out there right now that they can avoid each other for a while....especially since WN isn't adding any new cities in the near term.

JAX does well largely because it has a good mix of business and leisure travel. It also helps that JAX's population continues to grow rapidly. One reason I don't see AAI building up too much at JAX is that JAX is already so well served. One trademark of AAI is entering underserved markets and JAX doesn't fit that criterion at all.

I'm still hoping for PNS-TPA on JetConnect.
 
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RE: AirTran Starts BWI-FPO

Sun Dec 22, 2002 12:53 am

Why not start BWI-GPT?

Perhaps they would if the Beau Rivage subsidizes it like they do the ATL route.
 
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RE: AirTran Starts BWI-FPO

Sun Dec 22, 2002 5:21 am

"Why not start BWI-GPT?

Perhaps they would if the Beau Rivage subsidizes it like they do the ATL route."

Also Atlantic City, a nicer(I actually used that word and Atlantic City in the same sentence) casino town, is just 3 hours away by car.
 
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RE: AirTran Starts BWI-FPO

Sun Dec 22, 2002 9:48 am

Why not start BWI-GPT?

Perhaps they would if the Beau Rivage subsidizes it like they do the ATL route.


And they subsidize FLL-GPT and TPA-GPT too.
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RE: AirTran Starts BWI-FPO

Sun Dec 22, 2002 9:51 am

Yes, MAH4546 is right! That's exactly was still use nonstop from FLL-GPT, ATL, TPA. I knew that was still use for long time with the load factors was doing. I exactly do think will chance get nonstop from BWI-GPT first time ever or maybe not.  Wow! Well, talk ya later!!
 
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RE: AirTran Starts BWI-FPO

Mon Dec 23, 2002 1:53 pm

I am surprised JAX-BWI isn't in the framework yet. We used (ValuJet) to operate IAD-JAX twice daily, and it did very well. I'm sure both it and PBI will come along soon.

Travis
 
bonanzaair
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RE: AirTran Starts BWI-FPO

Mon Dec 23, 2002 2:09 pm

JAX-BWI is an LUV route. Don't think Airtran wants to take on LUV - not yet anyways. I like the JAX-DFW because it by passes ATL. Airtran has said they want to do more east-west flying.

Never know.

Bonanza
 
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RE: AirTran Starts BWI-FPO

Tue Dec 24, 2002 12:43 am

These are possible routes for more "east/west" routes that I've heard.....

BWI-DAY
BWI-DFW
BWI-MEM
BWI-MSP
BWI-MCI
MCO-DFW
MCO-HOU
ATL-SAT (new)

Just the grapevine of course....

Travis


 
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RE: AirTran Starts BWI-FPO

Tue Dec 24, 2002 2:02 am

Travis, Let's hope that last Grapevine rumor comes to life. I would love to go back to SAT for a night. GPT-ATL-SAT-ATL-GPT. That would be the best. Let me know if you get anymore information on that.

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RE: AirTran Starts BWI-FPO

Tue Dec 24, 2002 4:53 am

It's also interesting to note that the rumored routes out of Baltimore/Washington aren't ones on which they would compete with Southwest for the most part. AirTran is smart enough to stay away from Southwest as WN is a force to be reckoned with (look what they did to MetroJet, United Shuttle, Vanguard -to and extent-, and arguably Delta Express). AirTran strikes me like America West.... low-fare airline trying hard to emulate major airlines but with a lower cost structure. But the cost of this is subsidies, travel banks, and sometimes discontinuation of service. Southwest would never enter many of AirTran's markets.... SAV, FPO, GPT, etc..... because they couldn't dump in a dozen flights a day from the start in order to make money by volume.

I'm sure AirTran's leadership remembers the ValuJet days and overexpansion. At least they got a second chance... many airlines did not.
 
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RE: AirTran Starts BWI-FPO

Tue Dec 24, 2002 7:43 am

BR: Travis, and any other FL employee will find out the next city from a press release. AirTran is usually very secretive with its new cities so it doesn't get a premature "competitive response" from DL/Any other airline on the route. Only exception I can think of would be MCI where an article ran earlier than it should have.

Of course, ATL-SAT/AUS/OKC/TUL will likely be one of the new routes in order to continue westward expansion.
 
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RE: AirTran Starts BWI-FPO

Tue Dec 24, 2002 8:51 am

It's true, there's always rumors to be had, and those are usually accurate about 60% of the time. (Of course, LAS and COS have been "about to be announced any day now!" since I started in 1995). I only found out BWI-FPO when I got home and checked the press releases...although there had been some scuttle about it at the BWI station last month, but it had died out pretty quickly as "wishful thinking".

Travis
 
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RE: AirTran Starts BWI-FPO

Tue Dec 24, 2002 3:00 pm

I still think BWI-DFW would clean up with say 3 717's per day. There is currently no nonstop low-fare service between the DC and Dallas areas. Southwest can't fly the route unless they start DFW. Currently one must of course go through ATL for FL's low-fare service to Dallas. And ATA takes one up to MDW if one uses them from DCA.

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