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Wake Turbulence At SXM

Wed Dec 25, 2002 3:17 am

I was just looking at som SXM photo's and it dawned on me, the movie pushing tin is quite similar to this. Would there be any issues with people being thrown around by wake turbulence like in the movie?

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captaingomes
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RE: Wake Turbulence At SXM

Wed Dec 25, 2002 3:24 am

I haven't been there myself, but I will go some day! I hear it is very windy when aircraft are taking off, but haven't heard what it's like with aircraft landing. I don't know if it's an exaggeration, but I heard if you stand by the fence with an aircraft taking off you can literally be there hanging on otherwise you will be blown backwards.

I'll let you know when I finally go there one of these days!  Big grin
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RE: Wake Turbulence At SXM

Wed Dec 25, 2002 7:06 am

There is a video clip with an Air France 747-200 setting full thrust. Shortly after you can see sand being blown away and the people runs to the water.
The windspeed behind a full thrust engine can reach a couple of hundreds kilometers an hour! So remember to bring your windsurfer!
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RE: Wake Turbulence At SXM

Wed Dec 25, 2002 7:11 am

If you read the OCT issue of airways, they did an article on SXM. Supposedly a guy threw his dog in the air and it blew into the water (swam back safely though). Landings aren't that bad, depatures of the 747's is what you need to worry about. Myself and a few of my buddies stood behind an Air France 747-300. You could feel the heat of the engines as it sat there in idle, he throttled up, and I held on to the guard rail on the side of the road.....it blew my shirt over my head. Quite an experience!

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RE: Wake Turbulence At SXM

Wed Dec 25, 2002 7:22 am

I stood behind an MD87 and a 757 but experienced nothing except noise.
I was about 500-700 feet behind them.
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RE: Wake Turbulence At SXM

Wed Dec 25, 2002 9:01 am

My cousin did a really stupid thing there: He brought his laptop and when an AF 747 reved up his engines his laptop was thrown out of his hand. Took him a hell of a long time to pick up the pieces. My deepest sorrows to the laptop it was a very nice one.
 
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RE: Wake Turbulence At SXM

Wed Dec 25, 2002 12:07 pm

The clip showed people being blown into the water (not running) including beach umbrellas and other beach toys. It was funny . . . I think the people wanted a "fun" beach ride so they purposely stood behind the aircraft while on departure.

Has SXM ever had a wind direction change where the aircraft takeoff over the beach? Never saw photos of it before . . .
 
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RE: Wake Turbulence At SXM

Wed Dec 25, 2002 4:27 pm

I read it is a fun pratical joke to play on first timers there. Not to let them know about the engine blast when a 747 takes off and everyone leaves the beach while they are sitting with their headphones on, next thing you know all of their stuff is in the water and they are getting sandblasted.
 
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RE: Wake Turbulence At SXM

Wed Dec 25, 2002 11:26 pm

You know, it kind of makes you wonder. With all of these Spotting places being closed down by the TSA, How long will it take those idiots to close down SXM Beach?  Angry. It is very easy to launch a missile there.
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RE: Wake Turbulence At SXM

Wed Dec 25, 2002 11:29 pm

But hopefully it's not easy to get missiles to the beach!
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RE: Wake Turbulence At SXM

Thu Dec 26, 2002 12:57 am

Its easy getting missiles anywhere... your not going to close down everything?

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RE: Wake Turbulence At SXM

Thu Dec 26, 2002 4:44 am

The closest I've experianced is about 2-300 feet away from a C-17 landing. You hear the wake turbulence, and it got slightly windy, but there was no blow you over force... this was on a day with a 5-10 knot direct x-wind, so it should have hit me...
 
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RE: Wake Turbulence At SXM

Thu Dec 26, 2002 5:13 am

SXM isn't part of the USA, so the TSA couldn't do anything anyways.
 
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RE: Wake Turbulence At SXM

Thu Dec 26, 2002 5:14 am

Je89_w,

There are wind direction changes which lead to aircraft taking off from the opposite direction (over the beach). There's one photo of an ALM MD82 taking off from the opposite direction which I took (see photo below). I know the pilot who flew that day. When I arrived from Guadeloupe in an Air Guadeloupe ATR72, we also came in from the opposite direction which was quite a different experience if you're used to landing over Mahoo Beach.


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RE: Wake Turbulence At SXM

Thu Dec 26, 2002 5:26 am

I spent a week at the Maho Beach Resort, adjacent to Princess Juliana Airport in 1990. The hotel owns the beach at the foot of the runway and I spent my time sunning and swimming right there. I can tell you, there is no turbulence to speak of from incoming aircraft (while I was there, everything from a DH8 to a 747-300 landed) but take off is a different story. The thrust from a 747, or even an A300, 757, or 727 as was the case at that time, was poweful enough to be felt on the beach.

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