FFlyer
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"Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Wed Dec 25, 2002 11:55 am

After following this site for a while, and being older than 99& or the posters, and having accummulated maybe some 90% more miles than an average poster, I would say this:

There are numerous local teenagers who think that a Nissan Sentra is an exotic car. These same guys think that an AirBlue Airbus represents such an exotic European special value, that even the airline is above any critisism. A plane is a plane and an airline is an airline, and if one gets e.g. some penalties due to noice it is not really anything unfair.

I used to live in Europe where all the Nissans and Toyotas have been the most boring thing on the streets for centuries. Also such were the "exotic" and "exciting" local carriers like LH, BA, AF, SK, AY..whatever. Now you kids swear by these same names and see something special in them. And you have added one local name on the list; AirBlue. Which operates these wonderful exotic foreign things. I bet these same guys drive Nissan Sentras, Toyota Corollas and Honda Civics and claim them to be the coolest things on earth. Anywhere else than in your minds these cars would be just something very boring and everyday thing. Equals the airline and the airliner...

No airline is God. No aircraft is God. They are just pieces or metal, plastics etc. They produce some noice - not music. If they differ from other a/c, it is nothing important, and nothing to worship about. If you feel that anything foreign is exciting, you lack some self-esteem.

Nobody prospers based on artificial childish values. A plane is a plane.
 
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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Wed Dec 25, 2002 12:00 pm

Amen FFlyer.

 
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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Wed Dec 25, 2002 12:06 pm

Here here. Finally someone who sees beyond B vs A.

I agree with you wholeheartedly.

-Nick
 
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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Wed Dec 25, 2002 12:10 pm

I completely agree with you. Thanks for making this post.

I must have missed the scripture that many here must have read: "Holy is the name jetBlue...."
 
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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Wed Dec 25, 2002 12:20 pm

You mean those jetBlue counter people, gate agents, flight attendants, and cockpit crewmembers gave me the best treatment I've ever had as an airline passenger in vain?

Their enthusiasm, courtesy, and attentiveness was all for nothing?

It's a pity.
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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Wed Dec 25, 2002 12:37 pm

I don't think ANYONE believes a Sentra is an exotic car.

Either way, I think people make more of a fuss about how they get treated INSIDE those metal pressurized tubes hurtly about the planet. I personally don't see why good service shouldn't be frontpage news on an airliner board. *if that's even your point, I couldn't tell  Smile*

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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Wed Dec 25, 2002 1:27 pm

Well, I guess I kind of agree but in a less militant way. I still believe that it is OK to have preferences, and the start of the thread sort of makes it sound that if you prefer anything, you are a moron. Which is a bit extreme in my view. That being said, there are few things more irritating than someone who goes overboard about things that are not all that special. I work with a guy who drives a POS 4 banger Toyota who is a prime example of what I think you are hinting at. As for planes, I like anything that flies.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Wed Dec 25, 2002 1:47 pm

I agree with AvroArrow...its fine to have a preference, but people who take their "preference" to extreme levels need to realize that they are taking it too far...

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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Wed Dec 25, 2002 2:00 pm

I find an old Convair 990 like my 70 Roadrunner Superbird, now thats exotic!!
 
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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Wed Dec 25, 2002 2:52 pm

Hey, I have a Sentra! In fact, a Pathfinder too! Great, two Nissan's....and oh dear, one of my favourite trips was on an A340...but the best on a 777. Hmm, apples and oranges eh?

Good post!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Wed Dec 25, 2002 2:56 pm

Another Boeing fan that can't accept Airbus is now the market leader  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

 
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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Wed Dec 25, 2002 3:21 pm

FFlyer

After reading the post on you trying to straighten things out with people 'preferring' this over that, you are suggesting to us that you 'prefer' people to listen to this classic "a plane is a plane" ?

No airline is God. No aircraft is God. They are just pieces or metal, plastics etc. They produce some noice - not music.
Try telling that to some aviation enthusiast. Well, of course, no airline is "god-lier" than the other but to say "just pieces of metal, plastics etc." gives me the impression that you just want service and get on with life. Also, your screen-nick suggest that you are on an airline just to rack up FF miles?

(The comments were probably based on me either being true to my feelings or maybe the thought of being an aviation enthusiast pushes my ego one level higher...maybe???)

If they differ from other a/c, it is nothing important, and nothing to worship about. If you feel that anything foreign is exciting, you lack some self-esteem.
"If you feel that anything foreign is exciting" sounds like one of the speeches pro-Boeing G. B€thune would give (and also, would attack people who are not thoroughly with him).

Even though I do not pledge loyalty/ride AirBlue I really do think your post is consistent throughout...directed to AirBlue Airbus, that is.

(gotAirbus?)

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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Wed Dec 25, 2002 4:04 pm

In the same analogy, if an Altima cost $6,000 and came with a 150,000/15 year bumper to bumper warranty they would be the market leader too! I'm more than willing to start A vs B, B is better, for reasons too numerous to mention, A gives their planes away for much less than they could on an open market and sells them with a service package that makes them unresistable. B is a reputable company that does not dump on the market, if B tried what A did they would go to jail; does no one here see this! No, of course not, because the United States is hated world wide. Don't believe this, read the stories, check the AP wire. And where is this site based, Guess. The Europeans attempted to enter the US auto market, and quickly learned that a car that will last 10 years in Europe turned into a rust ball in 3 in the US, well Airbus is having the same problems. The oldest Airbuses in the United States are the A300's owned by American Airlines, 1986 era, so sixteen years old, of those one crashed into a New York City neighborhood due to a structural failure, something that has NEVER happened to a Boeing; another had a complete hydraulic failure. These are the oldest Airbuses in the country! These things are babies! I routinely fly on Boeings and MDC products that are over Thirty years old, some approaching 40, the scrap yards are full of 1970's era airbus products, conversely some airlines fleets are made entirely of 25+ year old Boeing products, not going to happen to Airbuses. Airbuses do not have the longevity of Boeings, this is provable therefore not A vs B rhetoric. Just as I own seven classic American cars that all would make a cross country run, the junkyards are full of Sentras.

Peter

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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Wed Dec 25, 2002 4:06 pm

The irony in FFLYER's post, is that while chastising others for preferring one manufacturer over another, he is revealing that he prefers Boeing over Airbus, because he is deeply troubled by those who favor Airbus over Boeing.







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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Wed Dec 25, 2002 10:09 pm

Looking at Airbus v Boeing wars sometimes are like seeing a Backstreet Boys vs. NSync wars... always get bogged down by the clueless... I use the battle of the boybands because, sometimes, it looks that way.

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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Wed Dec 25, 2002 10:25 pm

Hahaa. I was a little bit drunk last night when I wrote the note. That created the special tone...

But, it was the LGB noise post, which raised my anger. Some people were saying something about Airbuses being so quiet that the local people should be happy about being awaken by them. And posters actually got upset that an airline (jetBlue) has been sentenced for breaking the regulations.

I'm not prefering Boeing over Airbus or the other way around. But I am "troubled" over fanatism. There is a lot more about that around Airbus than Boeing. For the same reason, I can't stand the supporters of Ferrari F-1 team (F1 being the only sport I follow). Sports is today's religion, I know. But not Airbus (or Boeing).
 
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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Wed Dec 25, 2002 10:34 pm

FFlyer,

Agree with the fanaticism post - I have come to the conclusion that numerous people here will not believe a fact unless it agree's with their own personal belief. To be honest I prefer Boeing aircraft but I will argue until im blue in the face providing information on Airbus to Boeing fans in an attempt to set the record straight (and vice versa) - all for no avail as you just cant change some people's beliefs. Some people seem to be more fanatical about which aircraft manufacturer they support than some religious zealots are about their own religious beliefs !!

The sports analogy is spot on - I guess it's the same as trying to pursuade a Washington Redskins fan that Dallas aren't all bad and a Manchester United fan that he's a glory seeker (scouse joke there !!)

Merry Christmas (apologies if that offends anyone !!)

RickB
 
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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Wed Dec 25, 2002 10:47 pm

Pmk,

The oldest Airbuses in the United States are the A300's owned by American Airlines, 1986 era, so sixteen years old, of those one crashed into a New York City neighborhood due to a structural failure, something that has NEVER happened to a Boeing; another had a complete hydraulic failure.

I suggest you check your facts before posting something of that nature! If you consider a tail ripping off a structural failure, well then maybe you would like to know about a Japan Airlines 747 that crashed on August 12 1985 after the tail ripped off. To this day it remains the worst single aircraft disaster! That plane was only 11 years old.

Hydraulic failure? UA 232 ring a bell? The DC-10 that lost all hydrolics after the engine exploded?

I suggest you check your facts before posting biased opnions, after all this is a world wide forum.

By the way, I traded my plastic American car for a used Nissan Maxima, and all I can say is, it is one of the best choices I have ever made in my life!

SR 103

Oh yeah, I do prefer Airbus as well, but the 747 is my favorite aircraft!
 
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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Wed Dec 25, 2002 11:03 pm

Pmk,

The oldest Airbuses in the United States are the A300's owned by American Airlines, 1986 era, so sixteen years old,

Uhm... Aren't you forgetting all the cargo A300Bs flown by DHL, Tradewinds, etc? You don't see them 'falling out of the sky', do you?

of those one crashed into a New York City neighborhood due to a structural failure, something that has NEVER happened to a Boeing;

See SR103's post for that one. Also, might I direct your attention to the fact that investigators are currently focussing their attention on PILOT actions, seeing as how they could find NO FAULT in the Airbus plane?

Please, before talking out of your (obviously very frustrated) ass, see to it that you know WHAT you are talking about, k?
 
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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Wed Dec 25, 2002 11:13 pm

INSIDE those metal pressurized tubes

You mean INSIDE those plastic and fiberglass pressurized tubes, Right? (Airbus = Composites)
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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Wed Dec 25, 2002 11:18 pm

BR715,

The fuselages (as in: the pressurized tubes) of Airbuses are made of aluminum, just like those of Boeings. The composites are in the wing, tail, etc. The first Airbus that will have a partly composite fuselage will be A380.
 
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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Thu Dec 26, 2002 12:58 am

You mean those jetBlue counter people, gate agents, flight attendants, and cockpit crewmembers gave me the best treatment I've ever had as an airline passenger in vain?

No it's not in vain. It's their job and they did it with flair and enthusiasm.

Well said LHMark.

As for me, I drive a Nissan. It's the second one I've had and my third car will be another Nissan if ever this one calls it quits.

 
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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Thu Dec 26, 2002 2:16 am

Very well said FFlyer.

I myself have flown on aircraft such as the 707 all the way to the Saab 340 and I definately know that Airbuses are not anymore special than other aircraft.

As for airlines, I've had different experiences. Some I've flown I was extremely impressed by while others I thought were regular.

Regarding Nissans. I agree that a Sentra is by no means an exotic car. Teenagers around here thing a Honda CRX with a loud-mouth muffler is the coolest car in the world.

However, I am a big fan of Nissans as I've had experience with 2 in the past.

As far as exotic goes, Nissan is coming out with some exotic cars.

I am crazy about the new Altima. That is one stylish, sleek looking car:


This is the new 2004 Maxima. Much greatly improved over the current design:


While I'm not really a fan of this one, it is definately very exotic and stylish, the new Murano:


Regards
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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Thu Dec 26, 2002 2:49 am

I am not into A vs B wars and thus will not be sidetracked into taking a side. The cars' analogy seems appropriate though. Interestingly, that 2004 Nissan Maxima strongly resembles the current Renault Megane. Shades of Europe...

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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Thu Dec 26, 2002 7:09 am

I have to say I have heard some sh*t on this forum by some people but PMK's post really has achieved fresh new heights !!!

Whilst 99% of the population of the US are intelligent and reasonable - here is proof that there is always one !!!

The interestnig fact is that he says European aircraft are junk because Sentra's dont last as long as American cars - hate to break it to you dude but Nissan is a Japanese manufacturer and Sentra's are made in the US !!!

RickB

 
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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Thu Dec 26, 2002 10:51 am

Typically as of late a lot of Japanese cars have outlasted American cars, but yeah most Japanese cars are built in the U.S. and American cars are built in Mexico/Canada
 
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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Thu Dec 26, 2002 11:03 am

I have a Subaru Outback which is obviously Japanese.

The engine and all the components are built in Japan. But the car was assembled here in the US. In Indiana to be specific.

So in a way, yes most Japanese cars are "built" as in put together in the U.S.

However, the parts themselves are built in Japan. They just ship them to the US as parts and they put them together here.

It's cheaper this way in the long run.

Regards
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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Thu Dec 26, 2002 11:17 am

FFlyer - I see what you are saying, bad choice of title though!

RickB, USAFHummer, AvroArrow, couldn't have said it better myself.

pmk - go to sleep!
 
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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissa

Thu Dec 26, 2002 1:53 pm

All I can say is this...I hate Nissan cars, always have, more then likely I always will! I once owned a Nissan pickup! That was the worst car I've ever had! So I traded it in for a brand new Mack Granite series dump-truck and I love it!!!!

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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Thu Dec 26, 2002 2:27 pm

Another Boeing fan that can't accept Airbus is now the market leader

Another fanatic Airbus fan and rabid anti-American spouting his diatribe and can't accept the fact that FFlyer is right!

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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Thu Dec 26, 2002 7:13 pm

Boeing4ever, how do you read out of that statement that Hkgspotter1 is anti-american?
 
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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "niacin Lovers"

Thu Dec 26, 2002 7:32 pm

Nissans rust bad = Airbuses have bad corrosion ... I see the similarities, JAL is a lot like America West. Yeah I see your point.
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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Thu Dec 26, 2002 11:23 pm

Pmk,
you wrote the following:

And where is this site based, Guess.

I hate to burst your bubble again but it (airliners.net) is based in Sweden at the Lulea University of Technology as is stated at the bottom of the home page.

And to the Americans in this forum: A little less paranoia would help a lot. People despising the U.S. are a minority.

As to my favorites (should anyone care):
Favorite large aircraft: 747
Favorite twin: A330-200
Favorite classic aircraft: DC10
Favorite small aircraft: A320
 
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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Fri Dec 27, 2002 4:07 am

I haven't read all the answers to the post, so at the risk of repeating someone else's words:

- I agree that Toyota bla bla have less personality than a Kitchen mixer
- I agree that there is a side to Airbus that makes them a little more utilitary, except the A330
- You saw when you used to live in Europe that Nissans etc are the most boring things, the reason is: cities like Paris and Rome have a "cachet", unique culture and history, unique cuisine etc, things that makes some people want to live there instead of somewhere else. But also, it is the place of birth of Ferrari, BMW, and many many others. These machines come with a cachet, a noble one. So, eventhough I love some american cars too, I think they don't stand the comparison 1%, and that is where I disagree. Even if I were from the US, I would not like US cars for that only reason. So, yes, something foreign is exciting.

kay
 
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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Fri Dec 27, 2002 6:28 am

Username: Hkgspotter1

"Another Boeing fan that can't accept Airbus is now the market leader."

This post has been recommended for deletion on the grounds that it is flame bait.

Username: Racko

"Boeing4ever, how do you read out of that statement that Hkgspotter1 is anti-american?"

We've seen evidence of this in other of his posts.





 
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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Fri Dec 27, 2002 9:18 am

I agree FFlyer. With age comes wisdom (look at my profile as well)  Smile

PS Nissan's cars are the worst, most overstyled, tacky cars ever--and projector beam headlights and homie chromies only make cars look like toys. The B737 should be scrapped for something to better compete with the state of the art A320 family and the A330/340 can never ever match the excellence of the 777... wahat I am saying is beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and economics not nationalism determine how good something may be.
 
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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Fri Dec 27, 2002 9:55 am

FFlyer may have been drunk, so I'll excuse some of the first post. However, to me it came across as one of those "been there, done that, I'm so cool I'm bored of the world" kind of attitudes. It made me wonder why he was on this site even, since aircraft are "just pieces of metal, plastics,etc.". Posting, like driving, perhaps, should be done sober Big grin
 
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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Fri Dec 27, 2002 1:17 pm

**Boeing4ever, how do you read out of that statement that Hkgspotter1 is anti-american?"**

Hkgspotter is also Anti Northwest

 
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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Fri Dec 27, 2002 1:49 pm

Boeing4ever, how do you read out of that statement that Hkgspotter1 is anti-american?

I didn't get that from his statement, more from his blatently anti-American behavior in the non-av forum. For example his attempt to label America's possible war with Iraq about oil. I explained why this war can't possibly be about oil, but he just kept spouting his diatribe. He doesn't listen. I've observed him on the Civ Av forums making constant anti-Boeing remarks, and getting away with it too. Frankly, I'm sick of him. As are many others.

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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Fri Dec 27, 2002 3:42 pm

Do I hear the Jet Blue ban wagon coming? Quick lets get on like every one else!  Big grin
 
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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Fri Dec 27, 2002 9:00 pm

When I look at an Airbus A330, I just love it, it's graceful.
When I look at a Nissan, well I never look to Nissans anyway....

I would buy or drive a Nissan 380 or 340 anyday though  Big thumbs up

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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Sat Dec 28, 2002 9:11 pm

Guys,

Take a look at the Nissan 350Z if you think they can't make anything attractive or interesting. One of the best looking cars I have ever seen i'm afraid. Even though its not out in the UK for another 10 months - I have my order placed on one to replace my BMW.

This threads pretty poor though - you could just as easily say 'Boeing Lovers are like Mustang Lovers' - crude and low tech !! - Its a completely inaccurate statement (except about the mustang  Wink/being sarcastic ) but its just as offensive as the previous statement and at least I have chosen products from the same continent !!!

I also love the fact that any one who criticises the US is immediately anti-American - dont be so sensitive guys - we (outside the US) take criticism from you guys all the time and we dont immediately label you as anti-European/Asian/World. Despite a certain level of paranoia - the whole world isn't against you !!

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RE: "Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"

Sun Dec 29, 2002 2:49 am

I used to own a Nissan '71 240Z. Sold it to a young kid for a high school restoration project.

Here's a couple pictures of the old Z cars.

Ooh baby...! I'm a Nissan lover alright.



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