airmale
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Virgin Atlantic Steward To Sue U.S Officials

Thu Dec 26, 2002 3:01 am

.....up there with the best!
 
SegmentKing
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Steward To Sue U.S Officials

Thu Dec 26, 2002 3:21 am

wow.. talk about being an idiot........
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Guest

RE: Virgin Atlantic Steward To Sue U.S Officials

Thu Dec 26, 2002 3:24 am

If what is written on the website for this guy is true, then he will be receiving a nice payout from the American taxpayers; and rightly so too.

http://www.michaelphilippe.com/framesetanglais.htm
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Steward To Sue U.S Officials

Thu Dec 26, 2002 3:36 am

Scotty, regardless of the truth, the US will never pay a dime to M.Philippe. He made the cardinal error of plea bargaining. No court will ever take the word of a convict in a civil matter.

The US is very liberal with their interpretation of "truth" and uses highly questionable "interrogation" techniques to boot in the case of aliens. M.Philippe's case will never see the light of day.
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Ikarus
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Steward To Sue U.S Officials

Thu Dec 26, 2002 5:01 am

well, if the homepage linked to by Aviatsiya is serious and honest, then that's yet another sad statement about the US justice system.

I doubt he'll ever get any money, though. He should, but when was the last time that life was fair?
 
Prinair
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Steward To Sue U.S Officials

Thu Dec 26, 2002 5:30 am

Despite its flaws, the US justice system is still the most fair and less corrupt of any in the world.

This guy wanted his 15 minutes of fame without getting caught and it backfired on him. He is a disgrace to all of the hard working flight attendants all over the world.

PRINAIR : Puerto Rico International Airlines
 
SegmentKing
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Steward To Sue U.S Officials

Thu Dec 26, 2002 6:25 am

considering he WROTE those in the lav???

the guy should be fired, let alone thrown in jail!!!

what's wrong w/ you people?????

If I fly Lufthansa and write "Germans must die" in the lav, you bet your sweet ass they're gonna land that plane as fast as they can and find out who did it... if i'm caught, i'll have to pay the price. this guy DID get caught and is trying to weasel his way out of it.

what's wrong with most of you!!!!
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fly_emirates
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Steward To Sue U.S Officials

Thu Dec 26, 2002 6:38 am

well, Writing such stuff in the Lavatory, By a flight attendant for the airline, even if they were not serious is Childish! what would be the difference between him and some highschoolers? Spraying on walls and other places, as calling against the principal or one of the teachers or even a fellow student is common practice in many highschools in the whole world. But on an airline? and such a threatening message? wow, that is too much

However, how did they trace it back to him? it wasn't mentioned in the article
 
AerLingus
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Steward To Sue U.S Officials

Thu Dec 26, 2002 6:45 am

SegmentKing, you're missing the point!
The man found the scibblings. He denies writing them. Our legal system says "innocent until proven guilty."
Read the article. You are past high school age, therefore I assume you at least passed reading comprehension.
Get your patchouli stink outta my store!
 
SegmentKing
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Steward To Sue U.S Officials

Thu Dec 26, 2002 6:50 am

No, I happen to know a little bit about this incident.

There is a reason the French government did not offer any assistance to this gentleman.
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Ikarus
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Steward To Sue U.S Officials

Thu Dec 26, 2002 7:14 am

Segmentking: The question is, what's wrong with YOU, not what's wrong with everyone else...

a) Someone provides a link to a home page, which (admittedly from a highly subjective viewpoint) lists all the factors that suggest an error of justice has occurred

b) some say "IF the website info is correct, THEN there is an issue"

c) you walk in, quoting that "you know a little about the incident" without any backup and shout like a little kid...

Quite honestly, the website does a good job of arguing its points, quoting several things that could easily be looked up and checked, which all suggest that this guy is not guilty. So I tend to trust that website and not some childish a.net member who "knows a little about the incident"....

Regards

Ikarus
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Steward To Sue U.S Officials

Thu Dec 26, 2002 7:18 am

Ok, ladies, you're both pretty.

Be nice.

N
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Steward To Sue U.S Officials

Thu Dec 26, 2002 7:51 am

Forget it Neil, the other flame threads are dying down, so I guess its time to start another one for those who don't know how to post without using words like stupid, idiot, ignorant, etc.

Merry Christmas all  Yeah sure

Duane
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Steward To Sue U.S Officials

Thu Dec 26, 2002 7:57 am

I saw this the other day on TV5 États-Unis (a French-language news program in the US). Personally, I don't really have an opinion on the matter, but given the often-harsh methods the government has taken towards foreign nationals since 11 September, it would surprise me if this guy is innocent.

LH423
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Steward To Sue U.S Officials

Thu Dec 26, 2002 1:57 pm

If I was locked up in a foreign country for 9 months, and had been told I was guilty (without a trial) and would be held indefinitely and kept away from family and friends until such time as the prosecution is able to fabricate a case against me (could drag out into years), then yes, I would plead guilty to a minor charge which would allow me to go home to family and friends. And anyone who says that they wouldn't do the same would be lying.

SegmetKing, if you know a "little" about this case, then please share it with us. Why didn't the French government give this guy its support? I ask this because Le Monde states quite clearly that Chirac consulted Bush on this case, and the French Embassy in Washington (which is the French Government) was also assisting in the case.

http://www.lemonde.fr/recherche_articleweb/1,9687,303310,00.html?query=%22michael+philippe%22&query2=&booleen=et&num_page=1&auteur=&dans=dansarticle&periode=30&ordre=pertinence&debutjour=&debutmois=&debutannee=&finjour=&finmois=&finannee=&G_NBARCHIVES=756+718

 
SegmentKing
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Steward To Sue U.S Officials

Thu Dec 26, 2002 3:15 pm

but it was not at the full blessing of the french government....

anyway, there are other things to argue.. where is that jew/muslim thread?
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cba
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Steward To Sue U.S Officials

Thu Dec 26, 2002 3:29 pm

What ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty?" The man discovered the writing. The FBI has NO evidence to prove that he wrote the scribblings. They must prove beyond all reasonable doubt, and they haven't even done this.
 
thadocta
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Steward To Sue U.S Officials

Thu Dec 26, 2002 3:49 pm

Aviatsiya - you might want to check out http://www.makeashorterlink.com/ - you would have been able to turn your URL into http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q5E5211E2

Dave
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Steward To Sue U.S Officials

Thu Dec 26, 2002 6:16 pm

America truly is the great satan. It's certified.
 
DC10GUY
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Steward To Sue U.S Officials

Thu Dec 26, 2002 7:22 pm

O.k. o.k. I get the point, The US sucks, Boeing sucks, Its all our fault. We did it!!! Having said that, I hope the little gender challenged Stewart gets sent to jail for a long time.... Hijacking is a bad thing here in the US. Too bad we couldn't cut his hand off !!!
Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
 
thadocta
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Steward To Sue U.S Officials

Thu Dec 26, 2002 7:55 pm

Having travelled recently through the United States, I have to agree that they are indeed going overboard on security issues. It is to be understood that they have cracked down (security prior to 11/09 was an absolute joke) but I really do think that they have gone overboard, and introduced measures which did not have to be introduced.

An example - no metal knives on board, even with the meals served to passengers by the crew. But what is the point, wine is still served out of glass bottles, into glasses (as opposed to plastics), and these bottles can easily be smashed to create a sharp surface which is far more likely to injure than a steak knife ever will.

Likewise with only allowing passengers to go airside at domestic terminals. There is no reason for this, since all persons doing so have to pass through the same security screening. Of course, the stated reason is that they do not wish to overwhelm the screening staff, but if they cannot be trusted to screen whatever is carried through by a few non-travellers, then how are such dimwits expected to be able to screen what goes through on peak occasions such as Christmas Eve, Thanksgiving Eve, etc? (Note, I am NOT calling all screeners "dimwits", but if they cannot be expected to screen everyone going through normally - paxs and non-paxs - then there must be an expectation that they are indeed dimwits).

Airports around the world allow non-paxs past security, and the screeners manage to cope (probably because they are paid decent salaries).

Anyway, I have wandered off topic here. I wish the best to the steward involved - he has indeed become a victim of the current atitude in the United States that "We can do whatever we like and blame it on security, and we will get away with it". I hope he comes out of this victorious.

Dave
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Steward To Sue U.S Officials

Thu Dec 26, 2002 8:52 pm

Isn't it typical how some members on this forum suffer from paranoia so bad it isn't even funny anymore? I mean, let's take a look at the posts of TNNH and dc10guy: both have somehow made out, not only that the guy is guity, but also that this thread was set up for the sole reason of blaming the US for eveything. Way to go, guys! You look very intelligent throwing around that sh*t. TNNH has a long-standing reputation for this, while dc10guy seems to have found a book 'mindless anti-everything but Amercan dribble for dummies'. I'm having a very hard time believing someone aged 36-45 can be so dumb. Based on that, I conclude that you are probably a 13-15 year old smart-ass pretending to be someone else.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Steward To Sue U.S Officials

Thu Dec 26, 2002 9:31 pm

Wow Scorpio, you seem to be very mad... Are you still steamed about Sabena or something ??? What would be a better comment on this post? How about Good job Virgin Atlantic Stew. You really did good!!!
Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Steward To Sue U.S Officials

Thu Dec 26, 2002 10:42 pm

Sorry but if this guy didn't do it, he really did shoot himself in the foot, by copping a plea.
OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
 
Scorpio
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Steward To Sue U.S Officials

Thu Dec 26, 2002 10:45 pm

Are you still steamed about Sabena or something ???

Ha..... ha. So very funny. You should start your own show  Yeah sure

What would be a better comment on this post? How about Good job Virgin Atlantic Stew. You really did good!!!

Ah, so you KNOW that this person was guilty, now do you? And you base this on????? Oh yes that's right: he's French, so he must be guilty, right?
 
rey777
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Steward To Sue U.S Officials

Fri Dec 27, 2002 12:55 am

Ok... For those who missed some parts of the story, check this link... And make your own opinion : this guy is innocent !

Well, ok, I'm french, so what ? And I'm pro-american (Oh yeah this kind of people exist ! French and pro-american !!! Oh Jesus-Christ !!!).

But see the reality... This guy is innocent. There were no evidences at all !
And for those who really dont want to understand anything (hey... do you have somethin' we use to call a brain ???), if this steward has been from any other part of the world I would have say the same thing... INNOCENT !

http://www.michaelphilippe.com
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Steward To Sue U.S Officials

Fri Dec 27, 2002 3:32 am

SegmentKing

I am going to push you one more time. You said that the French Government wouldn't even go into bat. You also stated quite categorically that you know specific details about this case.

This need not be an argument, because you have stated you have facts on this case, but you prefer to skirt the issue at hand and fob off any questions asked of you.

I will say this to you: In future, put up or shut up!

Or you can answer the questions in relation to comments which you made.

Which will it be?

Listen, I don't know whether this guy is guilty or innocent, but judging by the total lack of information on this case from the "prosecution", one really only has the "defence" information to go on and base opinions on, and if the defence position is actually correct, then the powers-that-be have ruined a young guy's life for their own (probably political) gain.

Here's another case in which the same US Attorney in Orlando is involved in:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?W161212E2 (Thanks for that Thadocta, I lost that site a while ago).

Here you have a German citizen being caught trying to board a Southwest Airlines flight with an unloaded pistol. And look what she gets:

* US$10,000 bail
* Surrenders her passport
* Freedom to travel within the US whilst she is on bail

Michael Philippe is accused (nothing has actually been proven) of writing on a barf bag and a mirror on a Virgin Atlantic flight from the UK. (Remember, all other charges were dropped). And this is what he gets:

* Initial denial of any bail
* Then he gets bail set at US$250,000, only for it to be cancelled at the request of the same US Attorney who had no problem with letting this German sheila out on bail of US$10,000
* The judge in Orlando states that the evidence against Michael is "light", yet sets bail at US$500,000
* After payment of bail, he is transferred to a half-way house where he isn't allowed to leave.
* When he is moved out of the half-way house, he is electronically tagged, and has a strict curfew.

All of this for a "crime" for which there is no evidence proving it was him.

It should be noted that the same arresting FBI Agent (Lema) is also involved in both cases.

Something is rotten here, and I am just surprised that people aren't questioning it, rather than just automatically assuming he is guilty.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Steward To Sue U.S Officials

Fri Dec 27, 2002 3:39 am


A message to Thadocta........most airports around the world do NOT allow non passengers past security and to the gate. This is one area that I do believe the US has strengthened its security and made things easier for all of us airside to cope with. Say goodbye to your loved ones etc at the security check point and then go through. Sorry but have to disagree with non passengers going past security......wonder whether the australian authorities will adopt this measure?????

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