flyboy80
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Mesa To Add 4th Daily EUG-PHX

Mon Dec 30, 2002 1:26 pm

Hello all I've heard that MESA airlines (America West Express) is to begin operating a fourth daily service from EUG (Eugene, Oregon) to PHX (Phoenix, Arizona). I was wondering if this can be verified. If this is to happen what time will the new flight be operated at? Will it be another CR2 (I would suspect) or is it going to be a CR7 aircraft? How are the loads doing on these flights. they would have to be good if they are adding an additional flight!!!
well thanks for any information!!!
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flashmeister
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RE: Mesa To Add 4th Daily EUG-PHX

Mon Dec 30, 2002 2:10 pm

Good to hear... EUG has gotten the major shaft with service lately...
 
Goldenshield
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RE: Mesa To Add 4th Daily EUG-PHX

Wed Jan 01, 2003 1:23 am

The CRJ-700's are operated by a completely different airline. Dont ask me why...
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BA
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RE: Mesa To Add 4th Daily EUG-PHX

Wed Jan 01, 2003 2:47 am

Goldenshield,

The CRJ-700's are operated by a completely different airline.

No they are not. They're operated by Mesa.

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cv640
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RE: Mesa To Add 4th Daily EUG-PHX

Wed Jan 01, 2003 3:06 am

Actually they are not operated by Mesa, they are operated by Freedom Airlines. They are owned by the Mesa holding corp but are not part of Mesa Airlines.
 
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RE: Mesa To Add 4th Daily EUG-PHX

Wed Jan 01, 2003 3:34 am

CV640,

I perfectly understand that.

Freedom Airlines is a new subsidiary created by Mesa.

It's like United Shuttle created by United.

It's still Mesa. Owned and operated by the Mesa Air Group which also operates for US Airways under US Airways Express, Midwest Express under AirMidwest, and Frontier Airlines under Frontier JetExpress.

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BA
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RE: Mesa To Add 4th Daily EUG-PHX

Wed Jan 01, 2003 3:41 am

Correction:

US Airways Express under AirMidwest. However, Midwest Express code-shares on AirMidwest flights out of MCI.

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Goldenshield
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RE: Mesa To Add 4th Daily EUG-PHX

Wed Jan 01, 2003 4:01 am

"They are owned by the Mesa holding corp but are not part of Mesa Airlines."

Shuttle was completely owned an operated by UA, and all UA employees could fly them. Freedom, in contrast is owned by, by not operated by mesa. Therefore, mesa employees DO NOT get any priviledges on them.

What you are saying (lets take the food industry for example), is that, since both Carls Jr, and Hardees, is owned by the same parent company, they therefore have interchangable employees, and can serve what they want, when they want.
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RE: Mesa To Add 4th Daily EUG-PHX

Wed Jan 01, 2003 4:04 am

Talk to the pilots who work at the other carriers and they'll tell you Freedom Air is not like the others. Freedom is a non-union spin-off.

Here's a little info from the folks at ALPA:

Under Ornstein’s control, Mesa Air Group operates the three wholly owned subsidiary carriers, Mesa Airlines, Air Midwest, and CCAir. The Mesa and Air Midwest pilots work under a single contract and a single pilot seniority list. In other words, Mesa and Air Midwest are a single pilot group.

Mesa Air Group is attempting to establish Freedom Airlines as a non-union carrier operating 70- and 90-seat jets on a separate operating certificate. At the same time, the Mesa Airlines pilots are in contract negotiations, seeking much-needed improvements in their compensation, retirement, and working conditions. Contract negotiations have been stalled by management are going extremely slowly. In fact, ALPA has filed a lawsuit asking the federal court to compel management to bargain in good faith as outlined by the Railway Labor Act.

When you are considering your next career move, consider the following facts:

· Freedom Airlines is a non-union airline. Freedom pilots will not have the protections and benefits of union representation or a union contract. Freedom pilots would be at-will employees subject to the whims of management’s decisions. Pilots would not have representation in disciplinary actions and would be subject to unilateral changes in their compensation, benefits, and working conditions.

· The status of Freedom Airlines is subject to challenge in litigation brought by ALPA. The Association is alleging that Mesa Air Group’s use of Freedom Airlines to undermine the collective bargaining position of the Mesa pilots is a violation of the Railway Labor Act. In the ongoing lawsuit, ALPA is asking the federal court to enjoin Mesa Air Group from operating Freedom Airlines.

· ALPA will also challenge Mesa Air Group’s ability to manage labor relations at Freedom Airlines separately from those of its other carriers. The National Mediation Board has already upheld the Association’s assertion that Mesa Airlines, Air Midwest, and CCAir are, in fact, a single carrier for collective bargaining purposes. If Freedom Airlines does begin operations, ALPA will seek a similar "single-carrier" ruling from the NMB as it applies to Freedom.



Obviously, this write-up is biased because it comes from ALPA, but you cannot say that Freedom is just like Shuttle by United.
 
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RE: Mesa To Add 4th Daily EUG-PHX

Wed Jan 01, 2003 4:09 am

Freedom Airlines was being established under a separate operating certificate owned by Mesa Air Group. I thought Shuttle was operated under UAL's certificate.
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BlatantEcho
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RE: Mesa To Add 4th Daily EUG-PHX

Wed Jan 01, 2003 4:31 am

glad to see our little EUG actually getting more serivice.

Last mainline UA flights will be in 7 days, January the 6th. We'll be left with CRJs all over the place, but glad to see there is still some expansion there somewhere.

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cv640
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RE: Mesa To Add 4th Daily EUG-PHX

Wed Jan 01, 2003 4:50 am

Freedom is a completely different operating certificate from Mesa. They are not like United and United Shuttle. Mesa employees don't work for Freedom. If you transfer from one to the other you would have to be completely retrained and get a ewemployee and senority number.