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Who Flew All The 1st Generation Widebodies?

Tue Dec 31, 2002 11:55 pm

Hi folks, and Happy New Year to one & all....
My question/trivial topic for today is what carriers flew all 4 of the first generation widebodies. The 747, DC-10, L-1011 & A300. Altho not all at the same time...Pan Am & Eastern are the only two airlines that I know of. Anyone please feel free to add to this short list. Remember, they didn't have to flown all 4 types at the same time in their fleet. Best regards, and be careful out there tonight, folks.  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: Who Flew All The 1st Generation Widebodies?

Wed Jan 01, 2003 12:00 am

Iberia is another, although their L1011's did not last long as far as I know.
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RE: Who Flew All The 1st Generation Widebodies?

Wed Jan 01, 2003 12:11 am

Air France

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RE: Who Flew All The 1st Generation Widebodies?

Wed Jan 01, 2003 12:24 am

Air Afrique

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RE: Who Flew All The 1st Generation Widebodies?

Wed Jan 01, 2003 12:59 am

Delta:

A310, DC-10

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If you count the A310 as first generation, then Delta did:
 
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RE: Who Flew All The 1st Generation Widebodies?

Wed Jan 01, 2003 3:17 am

Fritzi,

Thanks for adding the Delta photos. We don't see much of delta here at YVR, and there are some airlines that just don't seem to suit a 747. I think it's because some airlines have so many of them that you just come to expect it and then you see a photo like that old Delta 747. I thought the same when I saw a picture of an old American 747.

 
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RE: Who Flew All The 1st Generation Widebodies?

Wed Jan 01, 2003 3:38 am

Who did?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy I did  Big thumbs up I seriously did... I fly them quite often these days but not really the first generation ones like the A300B2. I just got off a TG A300-600 a few hours ago... and flew CX's TriStars before and 747s on various carriers before and DC10 on American and MAS long time ago.. (my dad said so... hehe)
 
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RE: Who Flew All The 1st Generation Widebodies?

Wed Jan 01, 2003 4:27 am

SAS just misses by an L-1011. I don't suppose they ever leased one.
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RE: Who Flew All The 1st Generation Widebodies?

Wed Jan 01, 2003 4:31 am

SAS just misses by an L-1011.

That was funny!
 
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RE: Who Flew All The 1st Generation Widebodies?

Wed Jan 01, 2003 4:48 am

You know, I was thinking today.

Delta's really had it good in all the mergers and acquisitions and failed airlines.

They got all of Pan Am transatlantic, all of Eastern really, and all of Western as well.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

That DC-10 above wasn't one of DL's originally ordered ones... but DL was the only US airline to order and operate simultaneously the 741, L10, and D10 I believe, even if only briefly.

They never operated the "original" A300 series. They only operated some acquired A312s and 313s. But I agree that could count.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy But that means we should also count the 762, as well.  Big grin

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RE: Who Flew All The 1st Generation Widebodies?

Wed Jan 01, 2003 5:00 am

Continental almost did. They operated DC-10s, A300s, and 747s. They almost operated some of Eastern's old L1011s, but that deal never went through to my knowledge.
 
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RE: Who Flew All The 1st Generation Widebodies?

Wed Jan 01, 2003 5:05 am

Well if you count the current Air Canada, that is all the airlines that have merged over the years to make up todays AC then they would be included

Air Canada: 741, L1011
Canadian: DC-10
CPair, 742, DC-10
Wardair: 741, 742, DC-10, A300, A310

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RE: Who Flew All The 1st Generation Widebodies?

Wed Jan 01, 2003 5:09 am

I had no idea air france or air afrique operated the l-1011
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RE: Who Flew All The 1st Generation Widebodies?

Wed Jan 01, 2003 5:42 am

I had no idea air france or air afrique operated the l-1011

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RE: Who Flew All The 1st Generation Widebodies?

Wed Jan 01, 2003 7:45 am

Technically, Eastern Air Lines and Pan American World Airways (Pan Am I) are the only carriers to operate all the first-generation widebodies:

Eastern Air Lines

B-747 (leased from PA, although they had their own orders)
L-1011 (launch customer)
A-300 (North American launch customer)
DC-10 (purchased from AZ)

Pan American World Airways

B-747 (launch customer)
L-1011 (-500 long range series)
A-300
DC-10 (acquired in purchase of NA)
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RE: Who Flew All The 1st Generation Widebodies?

Wed Jan 01, 2003 7:49 am

By the way, DL and UA come REALLY close:

Delta Air Lines:

B-747
L-1011
DC-10 (acquired in purchase of WA)
A-310 (acquired in purchase of PA)


United Airlines:

B-747
DC-10
L-1011 (-500 long-range series, acquired in purchase of PA's Pacific ops)
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RE: Who Flew All The 1st Generation Widebodies?

Wed Jan 01, 2003 7:57 am

DL did fly several of their own DC-10s, that they purchased, flew, sold to United, leased back, and flew.

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RE: Who Flew All The 1st Generation Widebodies?

Wed Jan 01, 2003 8:12 am

How loose can we make this

"British Caledonian" flew the 747, DC10 and A310, albeit that "Caledonian" flew the L1011
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RE: Who Flew All The 1st Generation Widebodies?

Wed Jan 01, 2003 8:56 am

When and for how long did DL use 747s?
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RE: Who Flew All The 1st Generation Widebodies?

Fri Jan 03, 2003 7:19 am

Dl operated 5 747-132 between Sept 70 and April 77.
 
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RE: Who Flew All The 1st Generation Widebodies?

Fri Jan 03, 2003 8:20 am

Have to agree with EA CO AS on this one.

Pan Am and Eastern are, as far as I know, the only airlines that have operated the B747/DC-10/L1011/A300B.

Others mentioned such as Air France, Air Afrique and Iberia had at least one of the above types operated by another carrier on their behalf by another airline, as such these aircraft were never part of the airline's fleet. In the late 1980s BA wet-leased in an ATA B727 with British Airways titles, does that mean that British Airways ever operated the B727? Of course it doesn't!

Another such example of an airline that almost had all 4 would be Caledonian Airways, which used all 4 types in their livery. However the A300 was operated by Air Scandic on their behalf in 1998 and 1999 for extra summer capacity.

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