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Continental Fleet Changes

Sat Jan 04, 2003 3:01 pm

It seems that Continental has started swapping out MD-80's out of the desert again, and is getting ready to start fleet additions again also. According to the reports, there are more 738's on the way, another 753 and a few more MD-80's back into service. Not that exciting news, but I thought I would share.

Jeremy
 
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RE: Continental Fleet Changes

Sat Jan 04, 2003 3:25 pm

Thanks Jeremy, I always enjoy your updates.

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RE: Continental Fleet Changes

Sun Jan 05, 2003 2:25 am

Seems as though the "single seniority list" fever has hit Continental and Continental Express; similar to AA and Eagle.

1. It makes sense to me; in this age the 737 is being replaced by small jets. Small jets enable a traditional hub and spoke carrier to go point to point where profitable, and still feed the hubs. I feel the first large H&S carrier to do this will be at a huge advantage. Thoughts?

2. Is Continental planning to make a move into DEN if the opportunity presents itself?
 
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RE: Continental Fleet Changes

Sun Jan 05, 2003 2:37 am

So, how many MD80s are in service now?
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RE: Artsyman

Sun Jan 05, 2003 2:42 am

Your information is false. The first people (non management) to know about this would be the pilots via a new system bid or a increase in projected monthly block hours. The overall block hours have actually decreased for the first Q 2003 and no system bid is published or planned for the foreseeable future.

CAL has also offered to extend the leaves of pilots on COLA. This alone would not be done if there was any net increase in airframes (or block hours) even being contemplated by management.
 
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RE: Continental Fleet Changes

Sun Jan 05, 2003 3:02 am

I agree with EWR757....CAL is offering ANOTHER 1 year COLA to it FA's. They would not be doing that if growth were on the immediate or foreseeable future.

However, I wish it were true.
 
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RE: Continental Fleet Changes

Sun Jan 05, 2003 4:29 am

Your information is false...

err,, no it isnt, if the two of you can prove to me that you are CO employees, I will show you the memo that I just received about it. It came from within the company, not outside, but I would say that posting the actual memo here would probably not bode well for me.

Jeremy
 
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RE: Continental Fleet Changes

Sun Jan 05, 2003 4:38 am

They would not be doing that if growth were on the immediate or foreseeable future.

also, 3 738's and a 753 do not really count as significant growth when they are parking MD-80's. I love it how people are so quick to accuse things of being false without actually checking first. I will enclose part of the memo as it doesnt have any relevent details included.

January Aircraft Service Levels Report

...edits

In the short term, we're releasing some MD-80s and retrieving others
parked in the desert. We're also returning three 737 Classics to
their owners. At the end of the year, depending on the economic climate, we're scheduled to start adding more 737-800s and a 757-300.

I got this memo mid-late December, so you go and find the report and validate it all you want.

Jeremy
 
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RE: Continental Fleet Changes

Sun Jan 05, 2003 4:55 am

Chill dude.

I work at CAL, and didn't read anything about the swap of aircraft. No big deal. It seems more of a swap anyway. No capacity gained, or very little. Otherwise they would not be soliciting 220 FA's to take a January 31st COLA.

Thanks for the info.
 
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RE: Continental Fleet Changes

Sun Jan 05, 2003 5:02 am

Well, on a related note, CO just announced very strong revenue growth for December...better than expected and better than Dec 2001.

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RE: Continental Fleet Changes

Sun Jan 05, 2003 5:07 am

Chill dude. I work at CAL, and didn't read anything about the swap of aircraft.

Sorry if I came across harsh, it wasnt my intention.

Jeremy
 
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RE: Continental Fleet Changes

Sun Jan 05, 2003 5:14 am

could it possibly by that they are getting ready for the possibility, just the chance, that they would pick up some business when UAL is forced to severly cut back flights or forced into liquidation? They'd want to be ready at the first moment to jump for those pax.

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RE: Continental Fleet Changes

Sun Jan 05, 2003 5:26 am



Let's take a look at your "memo". What is happening is essentially a zero net growth of airframes. The 80's coming from the desert are replaced by aircraft 80's going to Marana. These aircraft are coming up on D checks are being sent to pasture and those mothballed with airframe time left before C and D checks are being pulled out.

The same can be said for the 737's. We are going to dump classics and 735's as they approach D checks and replace them with new airframes.

Your "memo" also says at the end of the year. A great deal can happen in the next 11 months.

Your original post says "fleet additions". Hardly any adding here. You said so yourself more or less. An addition to me is a net growth of airframes. If I wasn't so lazy I'd go on COAIR and try and find your "memo" but I don't really need to. From my perspective as a line pilot, we are far from any growth whatsoever.
 
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RE: Continental Fleet Changes

Sun Jan 05, 2003 5:31 am

From my perspective as a line pilot, we are far from any growth whatsoever.

I agree, my post was not about growth, it was about fleet additions and at no point did I suggest otherwise. The end of the year that is refered to in the memo is actually end of 2002, not end of 2003. If they get the 738's and the 753's, then I call that fleet additions, It doesnt matter to me that others get retired.

It isnt really important, but I assumed that some people on here that dont get to log on to extranet every day, would like to know about.
 
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RE: Continental Fleet Changes

Sun Jan 05, 2003 5:46 am



OK, but for 99.999% of us in the industry, when you use the term "fleet additions" you're talking growth. Hence my original response. But you're still confused with the term addition in industry speak if you say it doesn't matter if others get retired.

More proof your memo is off the mark, it is 2003 now and I can assure you we have no 753's coming. I believe our next 738 delivery will not be until early next year (2004).

 
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RE: Continental Fleet Changes

Sun Jan 05, 2003 7:30 am

Wow, are ya'll accusing him of lying?

He got the memo. The memo says "X". Its hard for others to argue "Y", unless they wrote said memo.

How can you assure me no more 753s are coming if the memo said they were?

Anyway.

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RE: Continental Fleet Changes

Sun Jan 05, 2003 8:00 am

I really dislike arrogant pilots. Especially ones lead by ALPA
 
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RE: Continental Fleet Changes

Sun Jan 05, 2003 8:14 am

I really dislike arrogant pilots. Especially ones lead by ALPA

He's just speaking his mind on what he believes, I don't think he was accusing me of lying, just that he disagrees with my post. That isnt a problem to me, the memo is a memo, it isnt in stone. I am sure he believes me about the memo, he can find it himself if he looks hard enough, I think he just thinks it's interpretation is different. Either way, I am not losing any sleep.

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RE: Continental Fleet Changes

Sun Jan 05, 2003 8:27 am

This borders on five- year- old behavior.

If I have 12 757-324s, and I take delivery of one MORE 757-324, then I have ADDED A 757. Is that difficult to comprehend?

Okay, example two. If I have 125 737-824s and buy three MORE 737-824s, then I have ADDED 3 737s.

I have no trouble with this concept.

Additionally, perhaps people should shy away from polarizing statements such as, "Your information is false." Because boy won't you look like a DUMBASS if you turn out to be the incorrect one.

Have a good weekend, and if you need further lessons ("Subtraction" next week's title) please stay tuned.

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RE: Continental Fleet Changes

Sun Jan 05, 2003 8:44 am



Gee Randall, thanks for the math lesson. But you missed the point as well.

I could discuss block hours and net airframes as it pertains to growth and increased capacity. However, I think I'll wait until you get a tad more experience in the industry so you'll have a clue to what I'm talking about.

Speaking of being incorrect...the numbers speak for themselves.

 
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RE: Artsyman

Sun Jan 05, 2003 8:48 am



You're right I am not calling you a liar. I just think the way you worded your post was poor and misleading.

Now about the A300 losing an engine.....that is another story.
 
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RE: Continental Fleet Changes

Sun Jan 05, 2003 8:59 am

You're right I am not calling you a liar. I just think the way you worded your post was poor and misleading

What is misleading about it ?

Title - Continental fleet changes - this is accurate

1) Content - It seems that Continental has started swapping out MD-80's out of the desert again - accurate

2) and is getting ready to start fleet additions again also - according to the memo (which I'll happily send you) - accurate

3) According to the reports, there are more 738's on the way, another 753 and a few more MD-80's back into service. as above, according to the memo -this is accurate

4) Not that exciting news, but I thought I would share. - also accurate

Thats the entire content of my post, what is misleading ?, what is incorrect ?

I was willing to try and ignore your agressive comments, but as you seem now to be exposed for the picky nature of your postings, I figured that I would show you for ..what the others on this thread said about you.

As you said, before the Pilots hear of this memo, perhaps it did the rounds in management which is where I got it.

It's hardly a surprise that no one is on your respected users list, I don't think you respect anyone.

Jeremy
 
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RE: Continental Fleet Changes

Sun Jan 05, 2003 9:30 am



Jeremy. Answer this for me. If all these "additional aircraft" are coming....why is the company:

1) Not putting out a pilot bid

2) Offering to extend leaves of absences for pilots on COLA.

I'm not being picky or aggresive but I am calling BS to your post, particualry:
"and is getting ready to start fleet additions". In fact Jeremy, CAL has announced an overall reduction in block hours for 2003. You think this is going to happen with a net increase in airframes?

Seems you're still upset about being busted about the A300 thing eh?

Respected users list? I didn't realize that the lack of my participation in that area changed the validity of my opinion and observation.

So tell me. Who signed this memo? And just what do you do for CO?

 
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RE: Continental Fleet Changes

Sun Jan 05, 2003 12:20 pm

send me your email address, and I will send you the report. As for the A300 thing, I passed on some information that was told to me, you refute it, so be it, I am merely the messenger.

Anyways, when the email addy comes, I will send you the report.

Jeremy
 
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RE: Continental Fleet Changes

Sun Jan 05, 2003 12:29 pm

You think this is going to happen with a net increase in airframes?

No one ever mentioned net increases in airframes except you, we all said that some were going out, some were coming in.

None the less, you can read the report when your email address comes, and then you can go and argue with Debbie McCoy, then CD, then Misner then Gordon.... I am sure they are all wrong and you are right.

Jeremy
 
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RE: Continental Fleet Changes

Tue Jan 07, 2003 2:19 am

>>send me your email address, and I will send you the report. As for the A300 thing, I passed on some information that was told to me, you refute it, so be it, I am merely the messenger.<<

Just go ahead and post it. I'm not going to post my email so every crackpot on the planet can view it. You failed to answer my earlier questions to you. Who signed this memo and what do you do for CO? If there was a shred of accuracy to what you've claimed it should not be a big deal.

The A300 remark was typical of you. You post an absurd off the wall comment and then when people that are in very knowledgeable about the situation or operations refute the comment as BS, you argue until people give up. Not only myself either on that one. You seem to enjoy posting and sounding like you're an airline know it all but do not like being corrected from those of us who actually work in the industry, especially from a pilot or operational view. You're hardly being just a messenger here. If memory serves me correctly, you pointed out this gem of information came from some flight attendant you were dating.


>>No one ever mentioned net increases in airframes except you, we all said that some were going out, some were coming in.<<

"and is going to start fleet additons". Your own words Jeremy, after your substitutions remark.

>>None the less, you can read the report when your email address comes, and then you can go and argue with Debbie McCoy, then CD, then Misner then Gordon.... I am sure they are all wrong and you are right.<<

Contrary to what you're blabbering on the net, I do believe all of the above individuals. One only has to look at factual printed data regarding CAL and the minimum pilot staffing and projections to debunk your latest fantasy.

 
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RE: Continental Fleet Changes

Tue Jan 07, 2003 3:27 am

According to CO's most recent filing's in October, they expected to take delivery of 4 738's in late 2003. So that capacity addition should be no surprise to anyone.

However, CO was scheduled to dump 3 MD80's, 8 733's and 2 735's. The 733's and 735's are leased planes and will be returned to their lessors.
 
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RE: Continental Fleet Changes

Tue Jan 07, 2003 4:09 am

Boys! Ok, it's all fun and games until someone loses an eye. Now stop fighting or I swear I'll pull this car over right now!!!  Big grin

EWR757, Artsyman...you guys are arguing over semantics. Jeremy's said the internal memo indicates new airframes, which he refers to as a fleet CHANGE, not addition...because it's offset by the return of some other airframes to lessors or the boneyard at Marana. You're arguing that any reference to new airframes would seem to indicate an increase in the total number of aircraft.

You both clearly understand each other, but yet there's all this hand-wringing over the verbiage. You're on the same team, so there's no need to nitpick.

EWR, you don't have to post your private e-mail address for all the world to see. Just go to the chat area and talk with Jeremy that way, or perhaps sign up for a separate Hotmail e-mail account that you can publicly post and have him e-mail you at.
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RE: Continental Fleet Changes

Tue Jan 07, 2003 4:33 am

This is getting boring, go ask at work for the January Service levels report, it was written by Doug Sparks from inflight and was attached to an email from Rome Odom. I am not posting it here, it is full of details like status of cockpit doors etc and has no business here at all.